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Insurance and Credit Scores

Many of us have seen the ill effects of insurance companies sticking their noses into our credit files before "rating" us on insurability. I think the tide is FINALLY turning back in the favor of the consumer on this stupid issue.

First off, each state has an insurance commission or official governing board. In Texas, for example, the insurance commission actually provides a helpful list of insurance companies that DON'T check credit histories. I would encourage EVERYONE to get their hands on their state's list and start doing more business with THOSE insurance companies.

Second, I'm a Progressive customer, and I fought tooth-n-nail with them on nosing around my credit file when setting my rates. I got them to admit in so many words that they are making a HUGE profit by charging more from people who are "over a barrel" with their credit histories. When it comes down to it, they see folks with blemihsed credit as an excellent revenue stream... and too many people don't fight them on this.

Third, I demanded to speak with the Texas head of underwriting and dragged 'em kicking and screaming into lowering my rates... even though I don't have the best credit file right now. I simply demanded that they look FIRST at my driving record and claims history and tell ME how something THAT spotless (for more than 20 years!) was at risk because of how I happened to have paid a credit card bill in the past. They were speechless and couldn't answer the question.

When I pressed on, they simply gave up and lowered my rates and I saved a significant amount of money. Had they NOT done this, I would have bailed out and they knew I had a forum (this and other ones) in which I could have influenced more than a few other Texas customers to bail, too.

Find out from your state who doesn't use credit. Shop them for rates. Then go BACK to your current insurer and demand some answers and some action on lowering your rates. Go to the top person and work your way down, and do not... I repeat, do NOT let them bully you into being over a barrel and into being a fat profit margin.
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The problem is that companies that don't look into credit scores are generally more expensive than companies who do.  My question to you is, why did you decide to stick with Progressive in spite of the fact that they check credit history? 
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I'm glad you asked... as I mentioned above, I was ready to LEAVE Progressive and told their higher-ups that, and that's one of the reasons they got me in touch with the right person in Texas who was able to do something about it all. If they HADN'T re-rated me, I was switching.

As for other companies being more expensive without credit scoring, I found the opposite. Many were competitive. It pays to shop around!
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The insurance industry claims, through statiscal analysis, that there is a strong relationship between credit scores and accidents, that it is one of the strongest correlations they have. The link between both of these may not be as simple and, in fact, dependent upon each other.  Why using credit scores may not make much sense is described below.
 
First, there is a possibility, and I'm speaking from personal experience, that filing a claim, which results from something unexpected, like an accident, may itself be a cause of a lower credit score.  When I had a car accident, my $1000 car was wrecked and so I had several new, unexpected expenses like deductibles, buying a new car, registration, sales tax, renting a car, towing and storage, and having the second car I bought in a hurry break down.  I found I couldn't cover all expenses for those few months, including minimum payments for revolving accounts, and as a consequence, found myself using more credit.  My credit score was dramatically lower after 3 months.
 
Second, a possiblity may exist that those with higher credit scores may file fewer claims.  When making the decision whether or not one should file a claim or not, what would cost more, borrowing $350 to fix a windshield, or filing a claim and having an ncrease of $400 per year for the next five years.  Borrowing $350 may not exist as an option for those with lower credit scores and thus can again, be a reason for the link between credit scores and filing claims.
 
Studies will need to be conducted to test these relationships.  For example, let's say we take a certain date, like June 2006, and take a sample of those who filed a claim during that month for the first time.  If information is available, then take the credit scores of all those people, and compare the correlation between both points.  Was the credit score predictive? For the other relationship, we can send out a survey to a large sample of people and ask whether a filing a valid claim was avoided, the value of the claim, and the credit scores.  Is there, in fact a relationship between avoiding filing a claim and credit scores?
 
We can get further insight about why this correlation exists.  At this time, the use of baseless, sweeping, fallacious generalizations with many exceptions, to increase premiums is unethical and cheating many people of their hard-earned money.  I already have two claims so I doubt the use of credit scores will cause a further increase in my policy, but I feel such a policy is obviously, without a doubt, wrong.
 
Here's another analogy,  There is a link between lack of intake of Vitamin C and the risk of getting scurvy.  Getting scurvy (filing a claim, for example) does not cause one to take less Vitamin C (lower credit score).  It's taking less vitamin C that causes scurvy.  It would not make sense to prevent one from getting scurvy so they could take more Vitamin C.  My point is correlations don't indicate cause and effect in both directions or even in one direction all the time.  It is this point that the insurance companies are so crassly ignoring.
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