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Okay now what is considered maxed out and what percent of one's credit limit should they use for balance transfers?  I went to FatWallet and picked up on this CitiDiamond offer and the people  there were maxing out cards to 90% of their total credit limit and thought nothing of it.    Each forum seems to present a different scenario.  FICO says they don't look to see where your debt is located.  They consider the total  amount of debt overall  rather than the location it seems.  So why worry about being maxed out on one particular card?  I am so confused about this whole matter of calculating credit utilization  that I really don't know which way to go!!! 
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Anonymous
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Go to 90% of the credit limit on anything and FICO will ding you for it.

Sounds like some of those other people believed the canard that running high balances proves your financial manhood (or womanhood) and endears you to the CC companies and Fair-Isaac. The truth is the opposite.
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Well looks like I'm 7 points shy of the 90% util on my CitiDiamond Card and FICO did ding me when I first balance transferred using that card.  My little paltry balance of $6K is nothing to what they are transferring at FatWallet.   Some are transferring $30K!!  0% for life as long as you make 2 purchases a month.  One can take 5-6 years to pay off their balance though and that's not bad given the 6-12 months being offered on other cards.
 
Well I'm going to just keep pecking away at my balances.  I understand from FICO it is better to pay down the balances and stop jumping all over the place!! 
 
Your input is greatly appreciated and thank you for taking the time to answer me.
 
SandyK
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Anonymous
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Your best bet is indeed to pay your balances off. Pay them down, then carry only a small balance...say, $20 to $50 on cards with limits over $5000.
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Anonymous
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Being maxed out on one card does cause a hit, but not as much as you might think. The people on Fatwallet who do this tend to have pretty high credit scores, and their scores would be even higher if they weren't doing this, and they do it not to build their credit scores, but to make money. I have been working Discover since 2003, I called to cancel my Discover card and they talked me out of it by offering various things, finally saying that they'd give me 0% forever on a BT. So I said OK. Loaded that one up to within $250 of the CL. They wouldn't give me a high enough CL to put that debt plus my wife's car on it, though. So we decided we were going to try to get the same deal on my wife's card, so she called them up and cancelled, and the let it go through without offering the ultimate deal. Then one day they called her up trying to get her back, offered 5.9%, she said no. Next day, they called offering the 0% deal, she said OK. Paid off her car with it, and otherwise loaded it up to within $5 of the CL. At that time, they had no BT fee and they let you make new transfers for about 4 months, so every month, I'd make the payment, then do a new BT in the amount of the payment. In 2005, they offered me a new card with 0% BT for life, 2 purchases per month, $29 fee. I reallocated CL from the old card (had some room because of making the payments for 1.5 years or so) and got it, put some other 0% BT debt onto it. The next year, they sent my wife an offer, I used this other card of hers to do a 0% BT to get a check to pay off some 0% debt of mine, to get it into her name, and then we did the Discover again. So from 2003-2006 our Discover debt didn't really go down because they kept giving us new opportunities to load it back up. My wife's Discovers are still loaded up pretty good because she reallocated limits and of course loaded on as much debt as the new card would take with the new limit. The key isn't, will doing this or that thing raise or lower your credit score, the key is, what can you do and still have your credit score high enough to do the stuff you want to do? Remember, that doing BT's isn't going to cause you any long term problems because you can easily fix any excessive damage that may occur by simply paying down whatever amount is needed. Oh, and it takes more than 5-6 years to pay a 0% for life. Way more. Because remember, the minimum payment is 2% of the balance. Every month when you make a payment, the balance decreases so 2% of the balance is a smaller amount, so your minimum payment is smaller. We used to take the difference and add it into our mortgage, but now that interest rates are better, we just let our savings build up instead. How long have you had your Diamond Card, and how many Citibank cards do you have? If you only have one, I'd go for another. When I got my first Citibank card, they didn't give me as high a credit limit as they were willing to give me, the second card filled it out. My first card, they only gave me about 60% of my total allowable limit. So if you only have one, you should think about getting a Citi Professional Card, Citi Professional Cash Card, or ATT Universal Card (without rewards, if you want to do BT). Those cards all have 0% BT for 12 months with NO FEE for BT's under the offer. And as you are no doubt aware, Citi lets you take a BT in the form of a check whenever you want to during the offer period.
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NewWorldMan, whenever my wife says, should we pay off our 0% debt, I say, well, we could do that, or we could just make the minimum payments, leave the money in the bank instead of giving it to the credit card companies, take out the interest we earned on the money, and throw it in the ocean. At least then it would make a splash!
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At the risk of sounding harsh...

I think the whole round-robin serial balance transfer game is irresponsible. It's a game of financial musical chairs, and the people playing it seem to think the song is going to go on forever. Trust me: it won't, and you're going to hear dead air when you least expect it, most likely. So to anyone out there playing that game, just make sure you have a chair to sit down in when the music stops--when you lose your job, get a long-term illness, your adjustable-rate mortgage payments go from $1200 to $1650 a month, etc.

Otherwise, you're just going to be an AFB...Another Fu(dg)ed Borrower.

End of lecture.
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@Anonymous wrote:
NewWorldMan, whenever my wife says, should we pay off our 0% debt, I say, well, we could do that, or we could just make the minimum payments, leave the money in the bank instead of giving it to the credit card companies, take out the interest we earned on the money, and throw it in the ocean. At least then it would make a splash!




I understand where you're coming from...at this point in life.

But ask yourself, if TSHTF (and of course it can't, you've got everything under control, that's what EVERYONE thinks just as that fecal matter does its final approach to the revolving oscillator--and I speak from personal experience here so don't think I'm talking down to you) would you still feel that way? Or would you wish you'd paid off the debt, and built up a real savings account instead?
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Yo, I've been doing this since 2002; it's now 2007, so yeah, I would say I've got everything pretty much under control. Had the Discover cards since 2003. 4 years (so far) of 0% car financing, 4 years (almost) of gradually increasing my mortgage payments at Discover's expense. Only quit increasing the mortgage payments when interest got to where it was more profitable to just pay the required mortgage payment and put the money in the bank. The key is not to be debt free; the key is, as much as possible, to have the money in the bank to pay off the debt and to earn more on the borrowed money than you're paying on it. That's not always possible, like with a house, or convenient, like with a car, but if you don't miss a payment or damage your credit score excessively, there is no downside to taking a check for which you're paying 0% and putting it in the bank and getting 5% or 6% for it. If you want to live debt free, that's fine. Me, I'd rather take money off of Citibank and keep it for a year, and then give it back to them, keeping the interest I earned in the meantime.
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TheNewWorldMan,
 
Well I'm not even in the balance transfer game to make money, but believe me I have thought about doing same.  I just don't have the money to just leave in an account and make interest at this point in time.  Every penney I have must go to eliminating my debt situation.  I do have an emergency fund.
 
I am going to take a bite outta my crime and pay off some accounts and consolidate the rest in balance transfers.     I'll report back on that aspect of my agenda in six months intervals.  Until then I'm going to sit back and read and contribute to posts on this forum.  I honestly feel people just need a boost and a plan to get started when they come to this forum.   It's really up to each individual to enact their own plan.  We all have different things going on in our lives and we have to act and plan accordingly.
 
SandyK
 
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