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@DaveInAZ wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:so how do I feel about it? Well if I'm the consumer, I don't like it and would pay cash. For the business owner, they are just recouping their cost and it's up to you whether to pay cash or credit, either way is the same to them.
And while they're absorbing an expense of 2.5-3% for a CC they're saving time of having to go to a bank for a deposit/change order, and avoiding the risk of having a large amount of cash on hand. And in the middle of a pandemic not having to handle cash avoids a risk of spreading the Covid virus.
Yeah, the convenience isn't unilaterally benefitting the customer. I've also seen a lot of store signs requesting that if you do pay in cash, to have exact change because there's a coin shortage (?) and they might not be able to make change. And most stores don't take personal checks anymore, so that only leaves debit as an option to avoid any fees. It's a little weird and I would probably just take my business elsewhere.
@gdale6 wrote:One merchant in town here sent me a bill for 85.00 I called them to pay it and it ended up 87.98 when I called them they told me it was the banks automatically charging all CC customers 3.5%, that there was nothing they could do and if I wanted to complain to call my credit card company which I did do, they opened up a dispute for the 2.98 and I know whats going to happen its going to be charged back to them along with a 25 fee for the chargeback. I used to take CCs in my businesses and know banks dont make anyone do this...... Pure crap that they pass on the fees and the merchants or people that are saying pay cash, cash is going by the wayside its all going to be CCs/debit cards before long....
@gdale6 no the merchant is absolutely required to inform you and display a notice, at least in my jurisdiction. And it's definitely the merchant who does it.
Cost of doing business as I see it. If a merchant doesnt take CC I goto a merchant that does. If a merchant tried to charge me a 4% fee I would laugh and go to their competitor. Yes some places although illegal do give discounts for cash vs. credit. Handy men aka painting house etc is about only time i use Venmo or similiar to cash to pay for work. Also most fees arent 4% either so they are actually possibly profiting as well depending on card and agreement.
@Wavester64 wrote:Around my town and State, many merchants are adopting the policy of adding 4% to the charge of their items (be it food, services, etc.) that the CC paying customer has to absorb because per the merchant, that is the cost they are charged for providing the convenience of using CCs to their customers and they are trying to get that back to sustain business.
Now because of the times we are in, one could argue that this is necessary so that the businesses being hurt have a chance to thrive.
Another argument could be that we the customers have been hit hard due to the pandemic as well, and we are trying to save as much money as we can to get by.
When I post something like this on Facebook in one of my local town groups, most of the replies are all PRO the merchant, that if we the customer don't like it, TOO BAD, PAY CASH & save money. One needs to keep in mind that most of these who reply like this are not into the CC game like we MF'ers are on this forum.
Now I'll ask it here since we are in the CC game to save money. Do you feel its right that merchants add a 4% charge to your total? If you feel its OK, would you feel the same way if there was no COVID?
I mean, yeah, I feel for the businesses, I was a business owner for MANY years and had my struggling times. But as a consumer/customer, where does it end? I mean we as consumers are getting these CCs, or looking for coupons, or buying Groupons to save money, just for the merchants to charge more anyway?
You see what I mean? Curious to see your take on this.
I mean this topic for all - but going to add a few buddies below to get their attention and hear their thoughts on this subject too.
@Gmood1 @Anonymous @Anonymous @M_Smart007 @coldfusion @Anonymous @JNA1 @cashorcharge @AllZero @Anonymous
I think it's fair, but unwise.
The whole reason for accepting credit cards is to be customer-friendly. People who like to use credit cards will be discouraged from patronizing the store (either because they feel forced to pay with cash, or because they feel they are being penalized for paying with their credit card). I think it just makes more sense to build the cost of credit card acceptance into one's overall pricing structure.
What is unfair is that big companies are no doubt charged less than small companies for the credit card processing fees and therefore have less of a need for such surcharges.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Wavester64 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:A surcharge is not giving a cash discount that’s a totally different thing. Convenience fees are only allowed due to the payment channel and surcharges can be charged in most jurisdictions.
what state are you in @Wavester64 ?
NJ
@Wavester64 well then from the list at Experian, it doesn't look like your state prohibits it, but I wouldn't take that as gospel without looking it up.
New Jersey does not prohibit it. There were only about 10 states that prohibited it, but those states made up about 40% of the US population. I do know that there was a related lawsuit a couple of years ago involving American Express and they prevailed but not if it impacted any other states.
@Anonymous out of curiosity, your peeps, the ones you said you encouraged to engage in this...do they take checks?
Most small businesses do not use VeriCheck, and if they do, that costs money, too.
Sounds like your friends are going with
cash or trade me a chicken for Pepsi option.
In any case, some people may not blink. 25% of people do not even have credit cards. I suppose it's all about how many customers in the neighborhood find that acceptable
Where I live and shop, they might as well close the doors next day.
@Remedios wrote:@Anonymous out of curiosity, your peeps, the ones you said you encouraged to engage in this...do they take checks?
Most small businesses do not use VeriCheck, and if they do, that costs money, too.
Sounds like your friends are going with
cash or trade me a chicken for Pepsi option.
In any case, some people may not blink. 25% of people do not even have credit cards. I suppose it's all about how many customers in the neighborhood find that acceptable
Where I live and shop, they might as well close the doors next day.
@Remedios i've never seen them take a check and I'm pretty sure they do not. I think they use squaretrade. It's a somewhat rural area where they have the business and I guess people don't care because there's not a lot of competition for that type of business, Or he also has a very good relationship with his clientele, so that may factor.
The only reason I suggested it to him was because he was doing bad due to Covid.
Posts were removed due to use of inaccurate, inflammatory, offensive terminology.
No more warnings will be given to anyone feeling the need to stoop that low.
There are plenty of places where this abhorrent behavior might be tolerated, perhaps even cheered on.
This is not one of those places.
I really haven't seen a credit card surcharge around here. I used to go to one pool hall that did charge a $2 surcharge if your tab was under $10, I didn't mind it as I don't think my tab was ever under $20 anyways.
Someone mentioned the fees coming out of wait staffs tips. When tipping on the card I usually tip more than if I was cash. I don't carry much cash these days and try to save what I have for when I really need it.
Personally I am okay with the extra 4% surcharge as far as they being allowed to have it. If I was in a pinch and didn't have cash I would pay it. I think if a place I went to regularly started charging the fees I would have to consider if I was willing to pay it to get the goods or not. For example my favorite coffee shop charging the fees would be a tiny amount, so I would shrug it off. My grocery store (which is a chain so of course I don't have to worry about it) would be a different story, I would find a new store.
As for how credit card processing hurts mom and pop stores. I think square is like 2.6% plus .10 and they make contactless payments really easy. Smart merchants bake those fees into their prices and most people would never really notice.
@Anonymous wrote:I think they use square
trade. It's a somewhat rural area where they have the business and I guess people don't care because there's not a lot of competition for that type of business, Or he also has a very good relationship with his clientele, so that may factor.
The only reason I suggested it to him was because he was doing bad due to Covid.
Square is one of the most expensive CC processors. I still use them because I'm lazy (recurring monthly charges), and the fees are 3.5% + 15 cents. My most recent transaction was a $800 charge to a client, and Square took $28.15 in fees. If you swipe, chip, NFC, then the fees are 2.6% + 10 cents, but if you have to manually enter the number or if you have automated recurring charges, then it is 3.5% + 15 cents.
My wife uses a different CC processor, and her total fees (including interchange fees, service fees, platform/gateway fees) are right around 1.5%.
Anyway, I'm on the side of not charging separate fees for credit card usage. I would much prefer if they baked the fees into the price of the goods/services.