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NYS 5 year purge rule & Experian

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Onmywaytothetop
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NYS 5 year purge rule & Experian

Thank you all for the great advice on these boards. It’s been a valuable resource and has helped me tremendously since I started my rebuild 2 years ago. I have one last baddie on my Experian report that is holding me back. It is a JCP charge off from January 2013, and it was settled with Portfolio Recovery in 2016. Transunion & Equifax removed it January of this year 2018 (I am assuming because I live in NY with the 5 year purge rule). For months it continued to report on my Experian as a JCP charge off and also as a Portfolio collection account. I have called Experian a dozen times, disputed it several times. Each time they just verify that the debt is valid, and that’s it. Portfolio recently removed it when I called them directly and talked about the NYS purge rule. I just called Experian again and was told that the 5 year purge rule didn’t apply because I paid a collection agency instead of the original creditor. I was also told by the rep “don’t be surprised if it shows up again on your other reports”. Really? Could this happen? Now I am worried about that. Thanks Experian. I read the actual NYS law and I didn’t see anything that specifically said that it only applied if I paid the original creditor directly. So next I called The original creditor and they told me there was nothing I could do but wait until the 7 years is up Jan 2019. He did say that I was in good standing with JCP and could reapply for a credit card. No Thanks. Any advice? Or should I just live with it 1 more year.
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CreditInspired
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Re: NYS 5 year purge rule & Experian

Hi OP and welcome
You could dispute with CFPB and upload all your documentation.

https://www.consumerfinance.gov

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rprisco
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Re: NYS 5 year purge rule & Experian

OP, just went through some similar, had to fight EX. The charge off must be marked as paid. When it is paid EX claims the 5 yr NY rule applies 5 years from date of charge off; they are wrong. I tried for months to get my last 2 paid charge offs removed. Finally, last week 5 yrs 1 mo from date of original delinquency, with a phone call, the two accounts were deleted.

If paid in full and the report shows same, I'd call 30 days b4 date of original delinquency (dofd), explain you live in NY and u understand that NY authorizes EE at 5 years from dofd. You may get lucky.

If not a report to the NY atty general would be my next step. Give proof of payment to the collection agency. They will not investigate if u file with the cfpb before; the atty general enforces NY Law. Imo the CFPB is useless.

If jcp is not showing paid charge off, call PRA ask them to advise the OC of pif status. Also u could dispute the unpaid status by sending certified mail to EX with a copy of the associated PRA receipt.
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RobertEG
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Re: NYS 5 year purge rule & Experian

This is an old and longstanding issue with EXP.

It stems from ambiguity in the NYS statute , which does not make any reference to use of DOFD in setting the exclusion period, as opposed to the federal FCRA, which was amended to clearly require use of DOFD.

 

As background, the original version of FCRA 605(a)(4), which defines the exclusion period for a collection or charge-off, stated that the 7 year exclusion period ran from the date “placed for collection or charged to profit and loss.”

That language was interpreted by the CRAs in their exclusion determinations as resetting the exclusion period each time a new debt collector reported their collection, and used the date of the charge-off, which is not even reported to the CRAs. 

 

Congress intervened in the 1990’s by amending the FCRA by the addition of new sections 605(c) and 623(a)(5), clearly establishing the use of date of first delinquency, and no other date, as the date for begin of the exclusion period.

 

The NYS statute uses the old and controversial language of the original FCRA, and makes no mention of use of DOFD.  It thus suffers the same interpretation issues that plagued the old version of the FCRA.

Two of the three CRAs have “read into” the NYS statute the unspecified use of DOFD, notwithstanding the total absence of any reference to use of DOFD, in order to make it consistent with the federal FCRA, and merely shortening the exclusion period from 7 to five years for NYS residents.

However, EXP continued for years to base exclusion on either the date placed for collection or the date charged to profit and loss.

 

That inconsistent treatment by the CRAs was apparently resolved a few years ago when EXP began to make the same exclusion interpretation.

It now appears from the post that they have, for some reason, reverted back to their old ways.

 

There is, to my knowledge, no NYS case law that requires the interpretation of use of DOFD, notwithstanding the clear fact that it is not mentioned in the NYS staute.  Thus, consumers are left to the mercy of interpretation by the CRAs.

 

In order to force EXP to make the same use of DOFD as is mandated under the federal FCRA, one could file a complaint with the NYS office of the attorney general, who is charged with enforcement of the NYS statute, or one could simply bring their own civil action and get the matter clearly before a NYS court.  Until then, it unfortunately remains a legal interpretation issue.

 

As for contacting the creditor or debt collector, that has no effect on the exclusion of their reporting based on age.

The exclusion provisions of both the federal FCRA and the NYS code are imposed on the CRAs, and defines the date after which they must case inclusion of derogs in credit reports that they issue.  Furnishers are not involved in the actual exclusion.

However, if you contact a furnisher and they agree to report deletion of their prior reporting, that will remove the reporting and thus obviate any issue of CRA exclusion.   CRA policy instructs furnishers not to delete based on payment of the debt, so most furnishers will not delete based on that CRA policy.

 

Shown below is a complete copy of the NYS statute for reference to its specific language:

 

New York State  General Business Law Section 380-j

“(f)(1) Except as authorized under paragraph two of this subdivision, no consumer reporting agency may make any consumer report containing any of the following items of information.

(i) bankruptcies which, from date of adjudication of the most recent bankruptcy, antedate the report by more than fourteen years;

(ii) judgements which, from date of entry, antedate the report by more than seven years or until the governing statute of limitations has expired, whichever is the longer period;  or judgments which, from date of entry, having been satisfied within a five year period from such entry date, shall be removed from the report five years after such entry date;

(iii) paid tax liens which, from date of payment, antedate the report by more than seven years or, a paid, satisfied or vacated tax lien involving a purchaser, transferee or assignee in a bulk sale transaction who has been deemed liable by the state tax commission for sales taxes due from a seller, transferrer or assignor under subdivision (c) of section eleven hundred forty-one of the tax law, where the receipt by a credit reporting agency from such purchaser, transferee or assignee of a notice, or true copy thereof, from the state tax commission to such purchaser, transferee or assignee that his liability has been wholly paid or satisfied or no longer exists, antedates the report by more than thirty days;

(iv) accounts placed for collection or charged to profit and loss which antedate the report by more than seven years;  or accounts placed for collection or charged to profit and loss, which have been paid and which antedate the report by more than five years;

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