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I tried not to waste anyone's time by asking redundant questions, so I have been searching "myfico" for a question that is similar to mine, but to no avail. I have worked hard to improve my credit worthiness and every little bit of information helps. I had just recently obtained an auto loan from my credit union. I went to the local nissan dealership to make purchase. The salesman kept trying to persuade me to consider nissan's financing, it seems as if he was deaf to the concept that I had already secured financing elsewhere. After about telling him-no- for 15min, he decided to concentrate on talking numbers and paperwork. We make the sale and a few days later, I see an inquiry on my credit report from the dealership. Perhaps this has happened everytime I purchased a car but didn't notice it because I wasn't credit conscious at the time. But is this legal? What can I do about it? He had no reason to check my credit report, my financial obligation is with my bank. Now, it looks as if I solicited my bank as well as nissan.
Do these guys get some kind of extra incentive for pushing manufacturer/dealership financing? His whole pitch was "trying to save me money." I told him....his obligation is to make the sale...not save me money, or I would be getting the car a lot cheaper than our agreed upon price.
Current Scores: EX(score plus) 747, TU-678, EQ-699
Even if you pay it with check (auto-loan from bank), dealership usually still do a credit pull. When my dad bought a Civic with cash (personal check), they pulled his credit report despite I warned them three times not to do so.
Usually when you sign documents, there is a VERY small fine print on the bottom that said you authorize them to do a credit check.
Dealership earn more money from financing. Even if they sell the car at "invoice" price so they claimed, car maufacuter usually give dealership a 2% rebate for every car sold. In the end dealership earns whole bunch of money.
Even if you did not give them a signed authorization to do a credit pull, such as in any fine print associated with y0ur transaction, if they want to do a credot pull, it is still authorized under FCRA 604(a)(3)(F) as being in connection with a business transaction initiated by the consumer. They only have to show that you initiated a business transaction, not explicit authorization of a CR pull. Access to yur CR is not limited to applications for credit.
Disputes of credit inquries in your CR are almost always dismiised by a CRA. And if you go around the CRA, and attempt to directly dispute the reporting of a credit inquiry with the party who posted it, any such disputes of credit report inquiries are expressly exempted from the direct dispute process. See 16 CFR 660.4(b)(iii).
I wouldn't worry too much since mulitple INQs for an atoloan within 2 weeks don;t hurt your score passed the first one. Enjoy your new car.
@RobertEG wrote:Even if you did not give them a signed authorization to do a credit pull, such as in any fine print associated with y0ur transaction, if they want to do a credot pull, it is still authorized under FCRA 604(a)(3)(F) as being in connection with a business transaction initiated by the consumer. They only have to show that you initiated a business transaction, not explicit authorization of a CR pull. ...
This is false.
The FTC has spevifically addressed the issue of automobile dealers accessing a consumer's credit report in a february 11, 1998 advisory opinion:
1. Section 604(a)(3)(F) permits CRAs to provide consumer reports to any party who has a "legitimate business need for the information in connection with a business transaction that is initiated by the consumer." You ask whether this provision allows a dealer to obtain a consumer report on a person who "comes to an automobile dealership and requests information" from a salesman about one or more automobiles. In our view it does not, because a request for general information about products and prices offered does not involve a business transaction initiated by the consumer.
More generally, you ask "when is the beginning of a business transaction" initiated by the consumer? In responding to this question, it is important to note that Section 604(a)(3)(F) limits this "business need" permissible purpose to transactions (i) that are "initiated" by the consumer and (ii) where the seller has a "legitimate business need" for the information. The staff's view is that an automobile dealer may obtain a report only in those circumstances in which the consumer clearly understands that he or she is initiating the purchase or lease of a vehicle and the seller has a legitimate business need for the consumer report information in order to complete the transaction.
For example, a consumer who asks a dealer questions about prices and financing is not necessarily indicating an intent to purchase or lease a vehicle from that particular dealer. Nor does the dealer have a "legitimate" business need for a consumer report in this situation. The consumer may simply be comparison shopping. In such a situation, the dealer must obtain written permission from the consumer before obtaining a consumer report. If the dealer would like to see a consumer's credit report before answering general questions about the availability of financing, this must be explained to the consumer and written permission must be obtained. In the same way, a request to "test drive" a vehicle does not indicate an intent to initiate the purchase or lease of the vehicle. Accordingly, if a consumer asks to test drive a vehicle, the dealer must obtain written permission from the consumer before obtaining a report.
Only in those circumstances where it is clear both to the consumer and to the dealer that the consumer is actually initiating the purchase or lease of a specific vehicle and, in addition, the dealer has a legitimate business need for consumer report information may the dealer obtain a report without written permission. In this regard, we note that obtaining information for negotiation purposes does not constitute a "legitimate" business need. The dealer must have a specific need for the information directly related to the completion of the transaction. For example, a dealer may obtain a report, if one is necessary, in order to arrange financing requested by the consumer.(1) The dealer may also obtain a report to check a consumer's creditworthiness when the consumer presents a personal check to pay for the vehicle. By contrast, a permissible purpose would not arise if a consumer intends to pay by cash.
Bottom line, unless you gave them written authorization, you were soliciting credit via the dealer and / or at the moment of payment you tendered a check, the dealer did not have permissible purpose to access your credit report. You can sue them.
Thanks,O6!
A great clarificatioln of "legitimate business purpose" when associated with an auto negotiation!