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flowfaster
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Secured Installment Loan?

Hello,  I have a couple of questions but first here is some info on my situation.  In about a year and a half from now im am planning to get an auto loan for 30+k and I wanted improve my credit report.  I am relatively new to credit(AAoA 6 months) oldest account is 10 months.  I have no baddies and perfect payment history on my revolving accounts.  I have several CC(BoA cash rewards=$1000, Chase Amazon=$1000, Discover More=$1500, Cap1 Platinum MC=$750, Amazon store card=$1900, Target store card=$200,  Walmart store card=$400). In garden mode for my revolving accounts now and according to Walmart my TU Fico score is 730.

 

I was recently denied a CLI on my Amazon store card(GEMB) the reason, no installment loan history. 

 

So im guessing before someone gives me 30k im gonna need an installment loan on my credit report. I am a member of a CU and I asked about a secured loan and they said its subject to credit approval and since I have 7 inq's I doubt they would approve me even for a secured loan given my short history. Is there an institution that will approve me for a guaranteed secured loan?Or what should I do?  I dont want to sit there and garden for a year and when it comes down to getting a car loan I get denied for no installment history.

 

Thanks for your help guys! long time lurker first post so go easy.

 

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Lel
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Re: Secured Installment Loan?


@flowfaster wrote:

Hello,  I have a couple of questions but first here is some info on my situation.  In about a year and a half from now im am planning to get an auto loan for 30+k and I wanted improve my credit report.  I am relatively new to credit(AAoA 6 months) oldest account is 10 months.  I have no baddies and perfect payment history on my revolving accounts.  I have several CC(BoA cash rewards=$1000, Chase Amazon=$1000, Discover More=$1500, Cap1 Platinum MC=$750, Amazon store card=$1900, Target store card=$200,  Walmart store card=$400). In garden mode for my revolving accounts now and according to Walmart my TU Fico score is 730.

 

I was recently denied a CLI on my Amazon store card(GEMB) the reason, no installment loan history. 

 

So im guessing before someone gives me 30k im gonna need an installment loan on my credit report. I am a member of a CU and I asked about a secured loan and they said its subject to credit approval and since I have 7 inq's I doubt they would approve me even for a secured loan given my short history. Is there an institution that will approve me for a guaranteed secured loan?Or what should I do?  I dont want to sit there and garden for a year and when it comes down to getting a car loan I get denied for no installment history.

 

Thanks for your help guys! long time lurker first post so go easy.

 


Hello, and welcome to the FICO Forums.

 

Even though you were denied the CLI for your Amazon card, I wouldn't make the assumption that you need an installment loan in order to get a car loan.  Everyone needs to have a first installment loan at some point, and in many cases it is a person's first auto loan.

 

There's much more to an auto loan approval than just the credit score and credit history.  Someone with a long credit history and good credit scores but has only a small amount for a down payment and and income of $20,000/year probably will have difficulty getting a $30,000 auto loan.  However, someone with a short credit history, a good down payment, minimal other debt, and sufficient income probably won't have any problems.

 

You're already a member of a CU, which is always a great place to start shopping for loans.  You've entered credit gardening mode, which is also a wise move.  And you're not planning on buying a car for 1.5 years.  Try to avoid applying for unnecessary credit until then so your AAoA improves.  Those inquiries will stop having any effect on your score once they turn a year old, and after 2 years will drop off completely.  Save money for your down payments, keep the balances low on your CC, and assuming that your income is fine (and stable), I think you could be fine getting an auto loan without getting an installment loan before then.

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cdtotten
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Re: Secured Installment Loan?

Although not having an installment loan is affecting your credit mix, that is only a small portion of your FICO score and is most likely not the reason that you were declined for a CLI. Companies can note anything they want as a declining reason, doesn't necessarily means it's the true one. Here are the biggest issues I see with your credit profile when it comes to potentially buying a car:

 

1. Short AAoA. A thin credit file is the reason your score is reasonably high, but auto lenders are not going to be keep to see it. You have not had time to show you are responsible with credit.

2. You have a lot of low limit builder cards - overall this is fine (although it's way more cards than you need), but you have a lot of new credit, which hurts your FICO and the way underwriters look at you.

3. You are most likely a young person and do not have an auto-history. Lenders are typically weery of buyers with no history. The most expensive person to insure (and greatest risk in the eyes of a lender) is a young, white male. Your insurance is higher, which means your monthly obligations are higher, increasing your DTI ratios.

 

My questions for you:

 

1. Do you have a job? If so, how long have you had this job and what is your gross pay?

2. Why are you considering such an expensive car loan on such a limited credit history?

3. Do you live at home / rent / own? What are your monthly bills total up to?

 

All of these questions will help determine if a car loan of that nature is in your future. Back to your original question, taking out a secured loan would increase your credit mix, but would also add another new trade line, another inquiry when you already have too many, and would lower your already low AAoA. I wouldn't do it just to fill that whole just yet.


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flowfaster
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Thanks to both of you for your replies. I have been at the same job for 2 years now and I currently make just over 30k a year. I rent with my girlfriend and our rent is 1200 a month. Only debt obligations is cell phone 120 a month and car insurance at 40 a month. The car I'm saving for is around 30k and I have 8k saved for down payment. Also have 5k in an emergency fund and a trade in of my old car. So money wise I think I should be set in another year and a half. And yes I'm sorta young mid 20s. Again thanks for your time.
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cdtotten
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Re: Secured Installment Loan?

You are going to have an issue with that income and that rent. Most car lenders are not going to go over 50% DTI. Your paying $1,200 in rent alone and only make $2,500 gross/month, so you are at 48% before even considering car insurance (which will not be $40 a month on a $30k car), utilities, gas, food, etc. Although your cell phone bills wont be factored into DTI, any credit card minimum payments, student loans, personal loans, etc. will if they are included on your credit report.

 

Having $8k down will definitely help you get a loan, but I think you will find it very difficult to find a lender (without a co-signer) that will loan $20k+ to a DTI over 50%, with a thin credit file and no previous auto history. You're full rent is considered (even though you live with your girlfriend) because you are both responsible and there's no guarentee she may not up and leave 3 months down the road. With that low of an income, you may want to reconsider the range of car you are considering. Typically buying a car the same amount as your yearly income is a very bad idea.


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flowfaster
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Solid advice thank you. I should forget about an installment loan and just garden till I have more for a down payment? I will hopefully be making twice what I make now next year.
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