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Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?


@Anonymous wrote:

I was just turned down for a CLI on my Cap1 Quicksilver card [$7500 limit}. I use this card to pay most of my monthy bills and pay off every month. They used an old FICO score from December [651] while my current FICO 8 score is 700. I understand they use a different FICO score [4/5] for this purpose. I just requested / given a $500 increase on my Synchrony card.

 

My current utiliization is 16.5%. My other Cap1 card has a balance of $1300 [72% utilization]. I have another card at 43%. The goal is to get it under 30% and then focus on the other Cap1 card while paying the minimum on my other cards [between 2-16% utilization].

 

I plan on requesting another CLI on the Quicksilver in 2 months. Question, my oldest credit line is 17 years BUT the average age of all of my accounts is only 3.3 years. I was thinking of applying for a Discover card to reduce my utilization which would in turn reduce the average age of my credit history. What should I do? Also what does FICO consider "heavy usage" - anything over 10%?!      


As others have pointed out, bring your total aggregate utilization under 10%. And bring those line item utilizations down under 30%. The 72% and 43% line item utilization are dinging your scores, especially the 72%.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

Thank you. I appreciate everyone's help.

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gdale6
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

I am going to say this once. We are not the word police nor the police in anything else here on myFico. I dont want to see anymore comments made about the way someone states something not everyone thinks the same as you and its not FSR. I strongly suggest that you review our TOS and FSR policies. Thanks for your understanding on this.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

gdale6, I'm not seeing the post or posts that prompted you to say what you did above.  Or did you remove them?

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?


@Anonymous wrote:

gdale6, I'm not seeing the post or posts that prompted you to say what you did above.  Or did you remove them?


Brutal it was me who edited my post. I was a little too sarcastic on one of my posts and edited it. I was out of line.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

I am not sure whether our OP will see any further comments, but if the OP does, I'd like to summarize the advice thus far and then throw out one or two more suggestions.

 

A key refrain from most of the commenters is to pay off ALL of the credit card debt.  Not just to try to get it down to under this or that percent, but pay it all off.  This is really sound advice.  Pay it all off.  Then continue to keep most cards at $0 with the primary card reporting with a fairly low balance -- and regardless always paying each statement in full.  If you do this, your utilization will naturally fall unto place around 1-5%.  You won't have to worry about CLIs and new cards and calculations and so on.  You also will not be paying any more interest.

 

You indicate a plan to only pay the minimum payment on some of the cards for the next several months.  I would be sure to be paying more than the minimum payment.  Paying only the minimum payment is a higher-risk behavior.  Moreover, your credit reports will show that in 2017 you were engaging in this higher-risk behavior -- creditors in 2018 and 2019 will be able to see that.  Ideally you should want to be showing that you were always paying all cards in full, but since right now that's impossible you should at least be minimizing the appearence of risky revolving behavior.

 

When you get all your cards paid off, you should figure out how it was in your rebuilding process you ended up carrying a balance on several cards.  Your goal should be to develop a substantial rainy day fund and a budget where you are spending much less than you have in take home pay.

 

Here's wishing you every good thing for 2017 and after.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

Still here and appreciate all the advice on my situation. It goes without saying the best situation would be to have all cards at zero and or paying off that balance each month. Obviously not everyobe [including myself] is in that position. This would be the end goal for most consumers [you would think].

 

My situation is to how do I use what available resources I have to my best advantage while I progress toward that end goal. I have 5 cards reporting a balance, ranging from $228 -1299*. I'm paying $500 each month across these 5 accounts. Last month I paid the minimum on only one of those accounts, so that hasn't been my profile for the last 6 months. I could A>. Pay more than the minimum across all 5 accounts or B>. Pay much more than the minimum on those accounts with either the higher intererst rate or those accounts with the highest ultilization rate.

 

I've decided to adopt plan B because it's my understanding that the CRAs credit accounts as they fall below specific ultilization thresholds. I heard it was for each 10%, with 30% and 10% [overall] the most important of these. Is this not the case?

 

My current cc balance is only $2990. I just re-calculated my numbers. If I continue paying at my current rate my overall untilization will be below 10% in three months AND all acounts below 10% by July. At that point I believe it would be wise to switch my focus on my auto loan balance which is currently $3900 vs continuing to pay down my cc balances.

 

The end game is to get pre-approved for a mortgage shortly after my total cc utilization is below 10%. My current FICO 8 score is 700. My FACO score is 70 points higher.  

  

 

 

* This does not include my QS card which I put 2k on each month but pay off before my due date.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

Hi Sonatina!  So glad you are still checking in and that you have been visiting the forums.

 

You mention that to pay off all of one's CC debt is an obvious goal that pretty much all consumers share and want, that it kinda goes without saying.  I am not sure I agree here.  Many consumers carry CC debt and a lot of it.  People typically do the things they want to do -- so I think these consumers for the most part like being indebted, since it allows them to buy stuff now rather than save and wait.  Paying off all their CC debt is not on their radar at all. 

 

Thus, I think it was pretty reasonable for folks here to stress that (in their opinion) you should pay off all your debt.  It was fair for them to assume that this wouldn't be an obvious goal.  Indeed, even after they said it, you are still planning not to pay yours off.  Your plan is to pay yours down to 10% but no lower.  That's totally your call -- but it goes to show you how paying off all CC debt is not a goal shared by everyone.

 

I was pleased to hear, however, that all of your concerns are aimed at a very concrete goal: namely buying a house.  Happily, this is something we here can give you very clear guidance on.  You should want the following:

 

* A total utilization of < 8.99%.  (That's all cards with their limits considered together.)  You will still experience a scoring penalty at 10%

 

* As many $0 credit card balances as possible.  The mortgage scoring models are different from FICO 8, and they go out of their way to reward you for creating as many $0 balances as you can.  The exception is that you do want one card showing a positive balance.

 

*  All cards showing an individual utilization < 28.99%.  In other words, the one card that shows a positive balance doesn't have to be at < 10% for its individual util, which is good in your case since your plan is not pay off all your CC debt.

 

If you can do these three things you will get a big scoring boost.

 

Paying down your automobile loan further (which you indicate as part of your plan) will not help your EQ and TU mortgage scores at all.  It might help your EX mortgage score, though we'd need to know the current amount you owe on all open installment loans and the total amount that all the loans were for originally.  The bottom line is that the auto paydown is probably a bad use for your cash -- saving it toward the home down payment is probably a lot smarter.

 

Now, how to achieve those three bulleted goals above is a different matter.  Part of your strategy might involve as you say pursuing CLIs (as long as they are soft inqiuries).  You may decide to use the Snowball Method for paying down your debt -- that may be an especially good fit for you because it stresses creating lots of $0 CC balances.  The one thing I would definitely avoid is opening any more credit cards.

 

I would suggest that you develop a plan for optimizing your CC balances as per the recomendations above.  Then after those new CC balances are all reporting to the three CRAs, pull your FICO mortgage scores,  You can do that here at myFICO for $30.

 

Those scores will give you an idea as to whether there is anything else you might need to do to your profile before you go through pre-approval.

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?

That's awesome insight CG! Really appreciate that. You suggestions are something I could easily switch gears and accomplish - zero balance on all cards minus one carrying a [< 28.99%] balance. In addition to the one card with a $1299 / 72% ultilization I have five [5] open accounts with balances between $199-$688. I could wipe those out by June which I believe would put me real close to <9% total ultilization. I can see getting the larger balance [$1299] under 29% by August.

 

Regarding the auto installment loan, that was one of the reasons mentioned on one of my free credit sites that was hurting my score. Should have known better since don't they put more weight on your monthly payemnts vs the unpaid balance. Since I put a big down payment on the MINI my monthly payment is only $147. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Should I apply for a CC to reduce utilization even if it dings the age of MY credit history?


@Anonymous wrote:

That's awesome insight CG! Really appreciate that. You suggestions are something I could easily switch gears and accomplish - zero balance on all cards minus one carrying a [< 28.99%] balance. In addition to the one card with a $1299 / 72% ultilization I have five [5] open accounts with balances between $199-$688. I could wipe those out by June which I believe would put me real close to <9% total ultilization. I can see getting the larger balance [$1299] under 29% by August.

 

Regarding the auto installment loan, that was one of the reasons mentioned on one of my free credit sites that was hurting my score. Should have known better since don't they put more weight on your monthly payemnts vs the unpaid balance. Since I put a big down payment on the MINI my monthly payment is only $147. 


It might have been a Vantage score, which is a different scoring model (though a good one).  By the way, you would have gained a solid benefit from the widely used FICO 8 model for keeping the car loan open but paying it down.  It's just that mortgage lenders do not use FICO 8.  They use other much older FICO models.  Hopefully that will change in the next few years.

 

Glad that the advice about the CC balances seems easy to understand and actionable.  My guess is that it will give you all the help you need, but you really won't know until you pull your mortgage scores.

 

You may feel that to stay in a state of "not knowing" until Sept 1 is just way too long of a time to wait without some kind of idea what your mortgage scores are.  If so, then I would make two separate purchases of your mortgage scores, as follows:

 

(1)  Get all All cards Zero Except One (AZEO).  Then keep paying the one big card down until it is < 48.9% (individual U) and until your total util is also < 28.9%.

 

(2)  Use some free credit tools to pull your reports and confirm that your new CC balances have made it into the bureaus' databases.

 

(3)  Purchase your mortgage scores here at myFICO.  That might be in June (say).

 

(4)  Keep working on your remaining CC balance until it is < 28.9% and your total util is < 8.9%.

 

(5)  Pull the mortgage scores again.

 

The double pull is not logically necessary, but it may give you psychological relief to know if you are moving on the right track.

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