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Anonymous
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

They agreed to delete the accounts off of my credit report if I agreed to pay $100.  I have it in writing on their letter head signed by a representative from their company.

Message 11 of 18
Booner72
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

Allrighty then.  You win!  Congrats.  Way to stick it to them and I'm not even being sarcastic.

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Message 12 of 18
Anonymous
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA


@GregB wrote:

I am curious if anyone suggesting a suit in Small Claims Court regarding specific performance has personal experience with such a suit? It is specifically forbidden in every jurisdiction where I have experience - a dozen different courts in 3 states.

 

In addition, anything beyond direct damages is very difficult in my experience. O6 commented 2-3 weeks ago that he thought Small Claims was easy. HIs experience must be in a completely different jurisdiction. This might vary by the court but the problem is going to be proving specific monetary damages.

 

The OP has stated that his ex-wife was responsible for the accounts but indicated they were married at the time. If so that will be difficult but he might have a case against his ex-wife depending on the Judgement of Dissolution.

 

Perhaps the threat of having to go to court and possibly refund the OP's $100 would cause the CA to remove the collection. This is the main desire of the OP. That certainly might work but I wouldn't get too excited about getting a significant amount of money. This is not legal advise but just general observations based upon my experience.



You are correct when you state many jurisdictions do not accept small claims court cases demanding specific performance.  However, monetizing damages is extremely easy.  Did you have to make a long distance phone call to try and sort the issue out?  Did you miss an hour or two of productive labor? 

 

Once you have a specific dollar loss, specific performance is a non-issue.  You simply sue them.  After winning, if they do not solve the underlying issue even after paying damages ordered by the court, you sue them again.  Of course, this is seldom necessary as most respondents realize that courts in general show little favor to those who do not learn their lesson the first time.

Message 13 of 18
Anonymous
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

I know your reply was to another question on the thread but just to update my original post and what has happened.

 

As you stated, I didn't sue for a specifica action, instead I sued for a dollar amount.  The amount i came up with was a refund for the original credit payment they were demanding plus additional expenses like certified mail costs back and forth, hours I wasted processing all of the letters and the court expenses.

 

I came up with a fund I felt was reasonable and that I could show solid proof / reciepts for.

 

I then filed the small claims and was immediately contacted by the CA to settle out of court and was notified that the two line entries had already been deleted. I did a quick check of my report and sure enough they deleted them before we even talked about a settlement or before it got to court. To me, it was worth the effort just to scare them enough to take action.

 

This case is closed.  Smiley Happy

Message 14 of 18
Anonymous
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

Awesome, Twister!

Message 15 of 18
the_jan_b
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

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Message 16 of 18
RobertEG
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

1. Neither me nor the Collection Agency (and it's assigns) shall disclose any information in relation to the account, except for what has already in public knowledge.

They have business obligations with the OC, accounting obligations, and possible tax obligations that are, amongst others, internal business activities that would most likely mandate disclosure of their business activities related to your account.  If summoned for information by a court, they would have no option but to provide ordered disclosure. 

2. The alleged debt is extinguished in it's entirety.

Most often, the debt collector does not even own the debt, but is merely a collection agent of the debt holder.  There is no way a debt collector can fulfill an agreement to extinguish the debt in its entirety, or agree to additional debt that has accrued to another party.  And they most certainly cant require the OC to delete any reporting related to the debt that the OC has made. 

3. No 1099's shall be issued (if the portion of the alleged debt cancelled is >$600) 

I agree with prior comments.

4. Liquidated damages of $100,000.00 shall be paid by party who breaches this contract, accelerated, and due in full.

Damages agreed to as to fact and amount without the right to legal opposition?

 

Message 17 of 18
Anonymous
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Re: Small Claims, Suing a CA

1. Neither me nor the Collection Agency (and it's assigns) shall disclose any information in relation to the account, except for what has already in public knowledge.

They have business obligations with the OC, accounting obligations, and possible tax obligations that are, amongst others, internal business activities that would most likely mandate disclosure of their business activities related to your account.  If summoned for information by a court, they would have no option but to provide ordered disclosure.

I know they have business obilgations with the OC.  What I am targeting are the "umbrella" companies (like LVNV Funding) that own multiple other collection firms.  They have been known to settle for less than owed with one sub-firm, only to take the remaining amount and farm it out to another one of their sub-firms to collect upon the remaining amount.  The issue of the consumer dealing with the OC and the original tradeline is a completely separate issue from settlements with a JDB or CA.

 

2. The alleged debt is extinguished in it's entirety.

Most often, the debt collector does not even own the debt, but is merely a collection agent of the debt holder.  There is no way a debt collector can fulfill an agreement to extinguish the debt in its entirety, or agree to additional debt that has accrued to another party.  And they most certainly cant require the OC to delete any reporting related to the debt that the OC has made. 

Again, this applies only to the JDB/CA at hand.  When I mean "extinguished", I mean that the forgiven part of the debt is not sold or transferred in any way to any other party, including the OC.  This clause prevents them from reselling the remaining debt.

 

3. No 1099's shall be issued (if the portion of the alleged debt cancelled is >$600) 

I agree with prior comments.

This is actually a tricky issue...normally, OC's are required to issue the 1099's on uncollectable debts.  However, there are JDBs/CAs out there that will do that just to reap the tax benefits that come with the issuance of a 1099.  There are ways that consumers can counter this, but then again I am neither a tax professional nor a lawyer, so I can't advise on this stuff.  Personally, I think the idea that a JDB/CA issuing a 1099 is both unethical and it stinks to high heaven; they can just go [redact] it.

 

4. Liquidated damages of $100,000.00 shall be paid by party who breaches this contract, accelerated, and due in full.

Damages agreed to as to fact and amount without the right to legal opposition?

If both parties sign the NDA, then both parties unequivocally assent to this clause.  The NDA will cut both ways.

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