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My business (an S-corp) fell into bad times financially during covid and that has spilled over into my personal finances and I now have several credit cards all in default to the tune of about $70k - 2 were just charged off, likely followed by the rest over the next few months unless I win the lottery.
I am verly likely going to declare bankruptcy soon for both the business and personally but I am anxious about what happens in the very near future with the charged off cards?
I assume the card companies either pass along the debt for collection and/or take me to court to try and get a judgment to collect. I am curious how long after charge off it typically takes for further legal action garnishing/freezing bank accounts etc?
Do I have to be served in person before that sort of action can happen so I have some sort of notice any serious legan action is happening so I won't be caught by surprise? I live in California if that makes a difference here in terms of the law relating to collections.
I don't make much money expecailly the past several months so I probably don't look like a very good bet in terms of collection but I assume they still vigorously try
Any insight or experiences here would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance
"I am curious how long after charge off it typically takes for further legal action garnishing/freezing bank accounts etc?"
There is no cut and dry answer to this question. First they have to sue and get a judgment. As backed up as California courts are that could take 2 years or more depending on the jurisdiction. Once they have a judgement they can motion for a debtor's exam at any time to discover assets and bank accounts. From there a levy or garnishment can be issued by the court. Some creditors are more aggressive than others. AMEX, Discover, and Capital One are the top 3 for suing within a year and they keep their accounts they don't typically sell them. As for junk debt buyers if the account is sold off they may sue right away or they may wait. Same for a judgement. Some may move to levy right away and others choose to let it "marinate" and collect post judgement interest and balloon in value.
"Do I have to be served in person before that sort of action can happen so I have some sort of notice any serious legan action is happening so I won't be caught by surprise?"
California does not require personal service for it to be valid. They can serve anyone of legal age in your home. Should they make several attempts they can apply for alternative service which could include leaving the papers on your door otherwise known as "tack and nail" service. There is also by mail or publication. To be sure they don't use sewer service you can watch your docket on line to see if cases are even filed or if service is pending.
I was in a similar boat in 2017, it does get better.
Discover sent me to collections after 2 missed payments and I told them I intended to file BK.
They were the only ones to send me to collections before I filed. Quit paying June 2017, filed November 2017.
Yes, they would have to serve you in order to get a judgment.
@AST Which chapter of bankruptcy are you filing Chapter 7? Are filing for the business and personal?
@AST wrote:My business (an S-corp) fell into bad times financially during covid and that has spilled over into my personal finances and I now have several credit cards all in default to the tune of about $70k - 2 were just charged off, likely followed by the rest over the next few months unless I win the lottery.
I am verly likely going to declare bankruptcy soon for both the business and personally but I am anxious about what happens in the very near future with the charged off cards?
I assume the card companies either pass along the debt for collection and/or take me to court to try and get a judgment to collect. I am curious how long after charge off it typically takes for further legal action garnishing/freezing bank accounts etc?
Do I have to be served in person before that sort of action can happen so I have some sort of notice any serious legan action is happening so I won't be caught by surprise? I live in California if that makes a difference here in terms of the law relating to collections.
I don't make much money expecailly the past several months so I probably don't look like a very good bet in terms of collection but I assume they still vigorously try
Any insight or experiences here would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance
Sorry to hear about your difficulties, I hope that things will improve for you sometime soon. You're correct in that it's certainly possible that you might be sued for these bad debts but it may not happen for months or even years. It will depend on the creditor and their internal policies, and the amount of money involved. It looks like the statue of limitations in CA is four years so you may have this hanging over your head for a while. In terms of the specifics of how you'd be served, and timeframes for court dates / judgments / garnishments or other actions etc.. this will depend on the local jurisdictions where the legal actions are filed.
Thanks for the detailed reply Cowboys4LIfe
I am not interested in ducking service, it will be easy for them to serve me at home should the time come as long as I am here - I frequently go to Canada to visit family and friends.
my concern is if they can serve me in some way that I miss - i.e. your use of the terms "sewer service" or "by publication" or if I am in Canada
When you say you can "watch your docket" I am unfamiliar with this term - I am guessing you mean some sort of public records search at the court? Is that what you mean? I assume they would sue me in my jurisdiction (I live in Riverside County but was in Los Angeles County until a few months ago. I believe my address is up to date with the creditors)
Thanks for the reply
both would be chapter 7 most likely
@AST wrote:My business (an S-corp) fell into bad times financially during covid and that has spilled over into my personal finances and I now have several credit cards all in default to the tune of about $70k - 2 were just charged off, likely followed by the rest over the next few months unless I win the lottery.
I am verly likely going to declare bankruptcy soon for both the business and personally but I am anxious about what happens in the very near future with the charged off cards?
I assume the card companies either pass along the debt for collection and/or take me to court to try and get a judgment to collect. I am curious how long after charge off it typically takes for further legal action garnishing/freezing bank accounts etc?
It varies. Usually the collection agencies and lawyers try to get a settlement before they file litigation.
Do I have to be served in person before that sort of action can happen so I have some sort of notice any serious legan action is happening so I won't be caught by surprise? I live in California if that makes a difference here in terms of the law relating to collections.
No you don't have to be served in person. You can be served in many different ways, often based on the terms of the credit documents. Frequently default judgments are obtained without the defendant even knowing there's a lawsuit. Frequently nowadays there are arbitration agreements, where the bank can simply file arbitration with a friendly arbitration organization.
I don't make much money expecailly the past several months so I probably don't look like a very good bet in terms of collection but I assume they still vigorously try
Good assumption.
Any insight or experiences here would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance
@AST like others have posted you do not have to be served in person. That is primarily the first attempt. Posting and publishing are also utilized. Some process servers will claim to serve someone without service. I always demand video of the service. Each time service is attempted the cost can be added to your balance.
" I frequently go to Canada to visit family and friends."
Any time you are out of the country for a length of time that tolls (stops) the statute of limitations from running. So if the SOL on the debt would be 4 years in California for the time you are out of the jurisdiction the SOL gets extended by that amount.
Another word of caution on arbitration. That strategy can be good for consumer debt but is a REALLY bad idea for business debt. In consumer debt arbitration cases the fees for the consumer are capped at $250 and costs cannot be awarded to the creditor. In a business case the costs are split 50/50 up front and the losing party can be ordered to pay the winner's costs.