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disney2
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What's a bank card?

I have some confusion.  I am working on paying down my cards, mostly because I think I need to pay those down before paying off any loans, and I have a question.  Sometimes I see notes like balances on bank cards too high.  What constitutes a bank card?  To help my score, do I pay those down first or do I pay off the other cards? I plan to pay them to AZEO but need to know what to pay first to help my score.

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Sandman771
Valued Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?

I would assume they mean any CCs you have. I am still fighting my way through the journey myself so take it for what its worth, I'd pay down cards to less than 10% then work on loans and maybe get the cards AZEO eventually. Or whatever order you need because the loans aren't hurting you

Starting Score: EQ497/TU496/EX 499
Currently: EQ 620 TU 654 EX 627
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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?


@disney2 wrote:

I have some confusion.  I am working on paying down my cards, mostly because I think I need to pay those down before paying off any loans, and I have a question.  Sometimes I see notes like balances on bank cards too high.  What constitutes a bank card?  To help my score, do I pay those down first or do I pay off the other cards? I plan to pay them to AZEO but need to know what to pay first to help my score.


I'm thinking you should choose based upon interest rate; the credit instruments, regardless of whether they are a loan or a credit card, with the highest rates should be paid down/off first, and then work your way down the list.  While I don't necessarily agree with the whole AZEO thing, I do agree with the notion of carrying some small balances, say 2% or less of limit as well as having a loan under 9% of the limit, as a means if improving one's scores.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
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Anonymous
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Re: What's a bank card?

From my understanding, the negative reason code for balances on bank cards too high is from the amount owed on revolving lines of credit being too high. On my profile that specific negative reason code showed on my FICO 8 scores until my total balance was under $30k. For the mortgage score we have evidence that the balance needed to trigger the code is MUCH lower, if memory serves me right, somewhere around 1500ish.

Often times in the forum it is recommended that a bank card be the card you use for AZEO. This is because a bank card is issued by a bank and will report to all bureaus, whereas credit union cards and store cards may not report to all bureaus. I also believe some oddities have been noticed with different profiles where reporting a balance on only a store card, CU card, or charge card triggers an all zero penalty.

Depending on what scores you are trying to boost the most that would change my payoff strategy. If you are just looking for general credit improvement and not apping for anything in the near future, I would definitely pay off the accounts with the highest interest rate first. If you are looking to get a new card, personal loan, or auto loan I would recommend paying down the cards with highest individual utilizations to the next threshold (I believe these are 29%, 49%, 69%, and 89%), this usually nets some pretty decent score boosts on FICO 8 models. If you are looking to apply for a mortgage soon then you should pay off as many accounts as possible. Mortgage scores are more sensitive to number of accounts with balances and overall utilization, rather than individual utilization on cards.

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SDMarik
Established Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?

From my understanding a bank card is a debit or credit card issued from a specific bank. Unlike larger issuers (Citi, Chase, Amex, Etc), they are usually issued against a depository account, however they can also be a "bank card" if it's a visa/mastercard that is issued from a specific (usually local) bank.

 

In many cases they are used interchangeably and as far as your credit report goes, if it is reporting a balance you can treat it as you would any other credit card.

 

Overall, I would pay whichever revolver has the highest interest the most agressively.

 



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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?


@SDMarik wrote:

From my understanding a bank card is a debit or credit card issued from a specific bank.

 


I would argue a debit card is not a bank card; debit cards have no credit limits per-se and are not reported to any credit bureau.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
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Slabenstein
Valued Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?


@disney2 wrote:

I have some confusion.  I am working on paying down my cards, mostly because I think I need to pay those down before paying off any loans, and I have a question.  Sometimes I see notes like balances on bank cards too high.  What constitutes a bank card?  To help my score, do I pay those down first or do I pay off the other cards? I plan to pay them to AZEO but need to know what to pay first to help my score.


For purposes of FICO scoring and negative reason statements, a bankcard is a bank- or CU-issued credit card that runs on a major payment network like Visa,  MC, Disco, or Amex.  This is contrasted with store cards, which can only be used at specific retailers.  I don't know that balances on bankcards are penalized any differently than those on store cards by the FICO algos, but, as has been said upthread, I would put finances above FICOs and pay down your balances in the way that makes the most financial sense to you (e.g. smallest balance to largest balance, or highest interest to lowest interest).

 

Also, I just wanted to add that what @Anonymous says about bankcards and AZEO is essentially correct, but almost all store cards and CU issued credit cards will report to all three bureaus.  The reason that a bankcard is recommended for AZEO is that FICO algos penalize you for not having a reported balance on at least one bankcard.  Storecards aren't recommended b/c they aren't bankcards.  CU issued credit cards should work, but they aren't always coded correctly so it's better blanket advice to use a bank-issued credit card.

 

@Anonymous, is there anything helpful you could add?


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FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: What's a bank card?


@Horseshoez wrote:

@SDMarik wrote:

From my understanding a bank card is a debit or credit card issued from a specific bank.

 


I would argue a debit card is not a bank card; debit cards have no credit limits per-se and are not reported to any credit bureau.


From a credit bureau reporting standpoint and for the purpose of this thread, sure.  Which is what the OP may be referencing with regard to account balances.

 

But, technically speaking, a debit card is a bank card (as issued with the respective network).  It may not report to the CRAs, but depending on the FI, they have daily ATM and/or transaction limits, for example.

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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: What's a bank card?


@FinStar wrote:

@Horseshoez wrote:

@SDMarik wrote:

From my understanding a bank card is a debit or credit card issued from a specific bank.

 


I would argue a debit card is not a bank card; debit cards have no credit limits per-se and are not reported to any credit bureau.


From a credit bureau reporting standpoint and for the purpose of this thread, sure.  Which is what the OP may be referencing with regard to account balances.

 

But, technically speaking, a debit card is a bank card (as issued with the respective network).  It may not report to the CRAs, but depending on the FI, they have daily ATM and/or transaction limits, for example.


My comments were meant to be within the context of this thread and what the OP was asking.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
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FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: What's a bank card?


@Horseshoez wrote:

@FinStar wrote:

@Horseshoez wrote:

@SDMarik wrote:

From my understanding a bank card is a debit or credit card issued from a specific bank.

 


I would argue a debit card is not a bank card; debit cards have no credit limits per-se and are not reported to any credit bureau.


From a credit bureau reporting standpoint and for the purpose of this thread, sure.  Which is what the OP may be referencing with regard to account balances.

 

But, technically speaking, a debit card is a bank card (as issued with the respective network).  It may not report to the CRAs, but depending on the FI, they have daily ATM and/or transaction limits, for example.


My comments were meant to be within the context of this thread and what the OP was asking.


My response was to clarify the difference (which was quoted in your reply) since the point is still relevant as far as how each instrument functions.  One reports to CRAs, the other doesn't.  Terminology-wise, this clarifies it for SDMarik's comment.

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