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Anonymous
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Who Inquired?

Hi,

 

According to the free FICO monitoring that one of my credit cards provides, it looks like I have a recent inquiry. I'm pretty sure this is a hard inquiry because in the past I've been told only a soft inquiry would be done and it never showed up on this particular FICO monitoring system. 

 

The problem is, while the monitoring system for this credit card (they use CreditWise) shows there has been 1 inquiry made, it does not show who made it. My question is how I can find out. I know I'm allowed 1 free credit report from each agency per year, but I don't want to use that, nor do I feel I should have to. I NEVER gave permission for anyone to perform a hard credit inquiry! I have an idea it may have been an ISP provider last month when I was thinking of switching and was in the process of signing up with them, but decided against it. The rep assured me that they do not do hard inquiries. 

 

Anyway, am I entitled to know who performed this hard inquiry? If so, how do I find out without using my free report? Lastly, are they allowed to do this without my permission? I specifically told the rep I did NOT want any hard inquiries on my credit report! 

 

Thanks,

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Anonymous
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Re: Who Inquired?

It sounds like you are like me, in that you strongly prefer to look for a cost-free method of doing something before you pay money for it.  (In this case monitoring your credit.)

 

So the next step for you is to get a hold of tools that will give you free credit reports at all three bureaus as often as once a month.  These would be: Credit Karma (which will give you Equifax and TransUnion) and the free service at Experian:

 

http://www.experian.com/consumer-products/free-credit-report.htm

 

I would start with Karma.  It will show you your reports and therefore your inquiries with TU and EQ.  If you do not see it there, it must be on the EX report.

 

Once you answer the specific question on your mind, I would get a hold of a bunch of other free tools out there.  For example, you can get a free monthly FICO 8  score drawn on Experian data.

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RobertEG
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Re: Who Inquired?

If you initiate a request for credit or inurance, or initiate a business transaction for which there is a legitimate business purpose to peek at your credit. there is permissible purpose, and the business does need your express permission.

If a rep informs you that any pull will not be hard, then you have a business practice that is normally subject to informal complaints, such as via the BBB.

However, there is no statutory or regulatory violation, and the CRAs are not likley to remove the inquiry based on a dispute.

 

You will likely need to pull your credit report to see who inquired.  An inquiree is not required to send notice to the consumer of their pull unless they deny credit or insurance, and use of a credit report was part of that determination.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Thank you for the links. I do have an account at CreditKarma, although I haven't logged on in quite a while. I'll check it out and the link you provided.

 

Btw- What is FICO 8? I have 3 credit cards that all offer free FiCO scores once a month. Do I need more than this? This is usually all I need to know if something has changed on my report (such as the instance I just described).

 

Thanks,

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Anonymous
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@Robert

 

Well that sucks. It's amazing to me how little protection consumers are afforded over their own credit! So any business can pull a hard inquiry (if you initiate the call) and they can lie about what they're going to do. ALSO, I learned a long time ago that if there is a billing dispute, the burden of proof is on the consumer, not the company. That seems so backwards! 

 

Once after waiting for over our for a scheduled doctor appointment I got up and left. They billed ME for a missed appointment! Of course, I refused to pay. That was almost 7 years ago and hopefully will fall off my credit report in the next few months. I was so incensed that I wanted to send this doctor a bill for the hour of my time he wasted and ding HIS credit report. Of course, that doesn't fly. But they can damage me just because they feel like it. Our credit system needs to CHANGE! IMHO. 

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for the links. I do have an account at CreditKarma, although I haven't logged on in quite a while. I'll check it out and the link you provided.

 

Btw- What is FICO 8? I have 3 credit cards that all offer free FiCO scores once a month. Do I need more than this? This is usually all I need to know if something has changed on my report (such as the instance I just described).

 

Thanks,



FICO has been making credit scoring models or algorithms for a long time.  Every 4-6 years (roughly) they release a new big model.  There was a big release in 1998, another in 2004, another in 2008 (or a bit later).  These were named according to the year: FICO 98, FICO 04, and FICO 08.  The most widespread model currently used is that last one (now simply called FICO 8).  The latest big version was released a year ago (or so) -- it is called FICO 9.  Presumable the next big one will be called FICO 10.

 

Within each big version there are various flavors, and each flavor is different from the others.  There's a generic flavor called Classic.  Then there's a flavor aimed at people evaluating for credit card applications and another used more bby the auto industry.

 

If you tell the people on this thread the names of your cards they may be able to tell you which model, which flavor, and which credit bureau that card is drawing on for its free FICO score.

 

It's fine for you to use credit scores as a general way of monitoring what is on your credit reports -- but there's ultimately no susbtitute for pulling the actual report if you want to know what is on it.  The advice I gave you is about how to get free credit REPORTS.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

 

 

I would start with Karma.  It will show you your reports and therefore your inquiries with TU and EQ.  If you do not see it there, it must be on the EX report.

 

Once you answer the specific question on your mind, I would get a hold of a bunch of other free tools out there.  For example, you can get a free monthly FICO 8  score drawn on Experian data.

 

 

 

Well, your advice was spot on. I went back to Karma and sure enough it was the ISP who "assured" me that they don't do hard pulls! 

 

This insences me to no end. How can they just LIE like that? I specifically told him I do NOT agree to hard pull! If the call was recorded they have it on tape! 

 

Lastly, how do I know how much this damages my score? Karma is showing my Fico at 732, which is about what my credit cards say, but I'm trying to improve it. I never would've agreed to them doing that. So there's nothing I can do?

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Anonymous
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Sorry I don't know how to use quoting here. 

 

Well, your advice was spot on. I went back to Karma and sure enough it was the ISP who "assured" me that they don't do hard pulls! 

 

This insences me to no end. How can they just LIE like that? I specifically told him I do NOT agree to hard pull! If the call was recorded they have it on tape! 

 

Lastly, how do I know how much this damages my score? Karma is showing my Fico at 732, which is about what my credit cards say, but I'm trying to improve it. I never would've agreed to them doing that. So there's nothing I can do?

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

Sorry I don't know how to use quoting here. 

 

Well, your advice was spot on. I went back to Karma and sure enough it was the ISP who "assured" me that they don't do hard pulls! 

 

This insences me to no end. How can they just LIE like that? I specifically told him I do NOT agree to hard pull! If the call was recorded they have it on tape! 

 

Lastly, how do I know how much this damages my score? Karma is showing my Fico at 732, which is about what my credit cards say, but I'm trying to improve it. I never would've agreed to them doing that. So there's nothing I can do?


Hi Iwan2.  Sorry you've had such a bad experience. 

 

RobertEG wrote this in his response earlier:

"... the CRAs are not likley to remove the inquiry based on a dispute."

 

I am pretty sure that he's using the term dispute in a very technical sense, which means going through the CRA first, complaining that something on your report is incorrect.  He's right that they'll just contact the company that did the inquiry, who will then say that you really did give them your social and so forth, in which case the CRA will tell you that the inquiry has been verified.  That's how the "dispute" process works.  The CRA is not equipped to investigate complaints about customer service reps failing to understand their company's process and policy correctly.

 

On the other hand, RobertEG might also tell you that going through the dispute process is not your only option.  You could go the other direction, which is to talk to the company that intiated the inquiry.  (It sounds like you said they were an internet service provider.) 

 

If you have already had an angry conversation with them, you may be out of luck, since they often flag such people as such and are less likely to help them.  If you have not, however, then you could give them a call and see what they can do.  I think RobertEG has explained to me that creditors have great latitude at getting CRAs to delete stuff on your report, so if you can get them to a place where they feel bad, then they might be very willing to do this. 

 

If you go this route, you'll need to remain calm and courteous throughout the call, avoiding words like "lie."  Your strategy should be to keep circling back to how proactive you were at making sure there would be no hard pull, how your score was damaged, how you are sure the rep was well intentioned but as a result if misrepresenting what would happen you score has been damaged etc.

 

Get them on your side, help them feel bad about what happened, explain that you just need them to reach out to the CRA and delete the hard pull, how you want to be a future customer but this has not made it easy, and so on.

 

RobertEG may know more about whether they can delete the inquiry if they decide their company policy might have been miscommunicated.

 

Finally, as far as score impact -- it's just one inquiry on one CRA.  Very small issue in the scheme of things.  It did not have a big effect on your score (ten points max and probably less) and all scoring impact will vanish 12 months from now.

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Anonymous
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Thanks again. While I'm expressing to this forum how furious this made me, I have not yet called anyone about his. I've been in sales my whole life and am pretty adept at negotiating and getting people to respond positively. If it can be done, I'll get it done. I just wasn't even sure it's possible for them to remove an inquiry. They can remove a late pay or a negative remark, but an inquiry is pretty cut and dry. They either pulled one or they didn't. Can they go to the credit agencies and say it was a mistake?

 

I suppose I'm sensitive because we're coming off a very heated election cycle. It just bugs me the power government and companies have over people. I do my due dilligence and not only ask that a hard pull isn't conducted, but went to so far to specifially say that I do NOT authorize one! So just because an underpaid phone rep doesn't know his job or what he's doing, MY credit gets damaged and there's nothing I can do about it or am at the mercy of the company and have to spend my time recitifying it. 

 

Just doesn't seem fair. But I really appreciate your help. 

 

Thanks again, 

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