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On my statements, it shows a total $ YTD in fees. We've had some as well but we are in month 9 and its like $335 (10) so a few got by because we have auto bill pay and both of us get paid the same week every two weeks and sometimes timing just doesn't work out. Of course, I could stop all my auto bill pays and just pay manually and then I would show no overdrafts at all and bills would be paid within a reasonable time frame but I didn't think of that by the time we went into UW and now it's too late. The good news is this month is clean so my LoE is accurate that it's not a normal occurance - it's just something that has happened occasionally. The month prior to the month the UW has is also clean. But to answer your question, the bank statement may have had the total for the year and not just that month (that's how BofA sends statements).
@happy0510 wrote:Azuretech, thank you for chiming in with your perspective. You guys are so mysterious to us and we are quite frankly scared to death of you! I went through UW in 2010 for the first time and it was just an awful experience. At one point my Husband was caught staring at the ceiling. It's like getting naked in front of the world. I am about to do it again and this time I am prepping for a stronger file.
Everything you wrote makes sense. I just have one question.
How were you able to find out the applicant had 4K of ODs in the 1st 6 months of the year? Did they have some showing on the 2 statements you received, then you asked for all year? I can't imagine how someone can rake up that many fees! It seems impossible!
I just checked my statement (WF) and it also shows the YTD. I have $175 so far this year. I guess that's not too bad right?
Dang! I am upset that I didn't know about that! Now I feel like applying for my next mortage in March next year lol but I will be homeless! One less LOE the better. I hate UW!!!
It can be a rather intimidating process.... Its funny the number of people who object to revealing their financial information.... even silly stuff, like blacking out the account numbers on their bank statements.... I mean, seriously.... They'll have no problem handing a personal check, which has the account number printed right along the bottom, to the clerk at the grocery store, but they'll go and black it out on the bank statements they're giving to the lender they're asking to lend them a quarter of a million dollars. (For the record, we cannot accept any redacted or altered documents). On top of all that, we have to make sure we're compliant with a chaotic maze of government rules, regulations, and federal laws.
But, as much as it is intimidating to you, do keep that in mind.... You're asking the lender to lend you a substantial amount of money..... And the underwriter who approves your loan is signing their name to the document saying "Yes, I evaluated this borrower and they're a good credit risk", so if we get it wrong, and haven't dotted all our i's and crossed all our t's, its our neck on the chopping block..... We're putting our professional reputation on the line, so forgive us if we seem a bit prying.... I assure you we won't ask for anything that we don't absolutely need to meet the agency documentation requirements. (I know it seems like we just come up with stuff that you don't need, but FannieMae and FreddieMac have pretty specific guidelines and specifications as far as how things have to be documented in the file.
Generally speaking, you want to provide paystubs showing at least 30 days of income, 2 yrs W2's, 2 consecutive monthly bank statements (and document the source of any large deposits in excess of 50% of your monthly income, with a complete paper trail.)..... i.e. if you say you cashed money out of your 401k, we can't just take your word for it, we need to see the 401k statement and see the same amount coming out of the 401k as the large deposit to your checking account. You can't just say "I had $5000 cash stuffed in a mattress"... Because there's anti money laundering laws that we're held accountable to.... We need to document you didn't deposit $5000 cash because you sold a pound of cocaine........ As far as your credit, we understand that sometimes bad things happen to good people.... If you've got a few dings on your credit, (minor stuff within the last 2 yrs) be prepared to explain what happened.... for anything more major, be prepared to explain what happened, and possibly provide supporting documentation.... ie if you had a foreclosure 4 years ago because you got in a car wreck and couldn't work for 6 months.... Be prepared to prove you were out of work for 6 months due to a car wreck.... The truth is always the best answer.... Nothing pisses an underwriter off more than being lied to. We're very intelligent people, and its honestly insulting the lies some people tell us, and think we're stupid enough to believe. Had one guy who worked part time 20 hrs a week as a sky cap at the airport, tried to claim he made over $10,000 in tips in one week (to explain a large deposit).... yeah, I don't know about you, but I tip the guy who takes my bags out of the trunk of the cab at the airport a couple bucks at best.... He'd have to pull in $500/hour in tips to make that kind of money... So of course that set off my "bullcrap detector".
The other thing oddly enough that I always run into.... For some reason when people apply for a mortgage, they get itchy to get a new car.... DO NOT do anything to your credit until your mortgage loan closes.... and I mean ANYTHING... Don't apply for a charge card at Kohl's to get 20% off, most definitely don't go new car shopping, don't get furniture or appliances on credit.... There's nothing you need that can't wait until your mortgage CLOSES (Lenders utilize undisclosed debt monitoring now.... If anyone pulls your credit during the loan process, rest assured, we're going to be alerted to it, and will then need you to explain and document any new accounts)... I can't tell you how many times we've had a loan ready to close, and got alerted that the guy went out and bought a new car, or bought new furniture and appliances for his new house, and now a week before he's supposed to close, no longer qualifies.
As for the bank statement thing..... His bank printed year to date overdraft fees on his statements.... So we get the June 2015 statement and it shows "Overdraft Fees YTD: $3,990.00".... game over, thank you for playing.
So, hope that helps you out.... Underwriters are nobody to be terrified of.... We're just ordinary people who have an extraordinarily difficult job to do.
As far a bank overdrafts.... Again, we're not unreasonable.... We understand that sometimes you mess up and overdraw your bank account.... So long as its not excessive, its not typically an issue.... Heck, I'm guilty of it myself.... I tend to be very busy, and I forget to write stuff down in my register all the time.... So I draw $20 at the ATM or forget to write down the groceries... and next thing you know, I've overdrawn my account.... I honestly came to the realization that I have no business having a checking account, because I forget to write things down... For that reason, I have a prepaid debit card that my paycheck is direct deposited to.... It offers an online bill pay feature, I don't have to write anything down and I can never overdraw the account.... I keep a checking account with a minimal balance in it, and if I have a situation that I NEED to write a check, I draw the cash off my prepaid debit card and deposit just enough to cover the check I need to write.... Its been a tremendous financial management tool for me..... Paycheck goes in, my bills are on auto pay and come out right on payday, and whatever's left is my spending money.... I can't overspend, I can't overdraw, I'm never late with my bills, I never carry cash, and I've got a record of everything I spend.
Thanks for your response Azuretech and for sheding light on the process. I just went through the DU and was Refer to UW, flag was BK. However, discharge was more than three years ago so th LO isnt sure for the Refer... Now i'm playing the waiting game to see if we can proceed and put down a deposit.
I'll be quite honest that the whole mortgage process terrifies me. I was a renter when I lived in town, but I've lived in a paid for mobile on paid for family land for seven years now. However, I have to buy something in the next year or two. Or rent again. The mobile isn't getting younger. It will eventually be unreasonable to repair something. And I'm terrified of the whole mortgage process. I've never done it.
Yes, it can be intimidating.... I truly sympathize with you.... Even in my line of work, when I bought my first house and had to be on the other side.... It was the most stressful thing I'd ever done.... Even as I was in the attorney's office signing the papers.... I didn't relax until the documents were recorded at the registry of deeds. But in fairness, its not because we want to stress you out... Its to your benefit believe it or not... you see, I don't ever want the lender to have to foreclose.... If after reviewing a loan, I determine its too high of a risk, I'd much rather decline the loan than to approve it and you end up in a house you cannot afford only to end up in foreclosure a few years down the road. Nobody ever goes into this sort of thing with the INTENTION of defaulting on their loan, but the reality is, sometimes bad things happen to good people... or sometimes people aren't really as credit worthy as they'd like to think they are.... By the same token, a FICO score doesn't tell the whole story either, a 620 score borrower who carries little debt, has a stable job, a nest egg for emergencies, buying a modest house that he can easily afford is a much better risk than a 780 score borrower, who is self employed, carries a lot of debt, has little to no savings, buying a big house that he can just barely afford.... yeah he has good credit now, but if his business loses its best customer, he's going to default on everything in about 2 months.
Regarding the $4000 in overdraft fees I saw when underwriting a loan.... The borrower's bank printed a year to date fees summary on his bank statements.... so even with only 2 months statements, it was there for me to see the year to date total overdraft fees.
Yes, a Bankruptcy within 3 years will send up some red flags.... It depends on what type of Bankruptcy too.... Chapter 13 or Chapter 7
Chapter 13 discharged in the last 24 months, dismissed within the last 48 months, or filed but neither discharged nor dismissed within the last 48 months are ineligible.
Non-chapter 13 (Chapter 7) bankruptcies that were filed, discharged or dismissed within the last 48 months are ineligible.
@Anonymous wrote:
Chapter 13 discharged in the last 24 months, dismissed within the last 48 months, or filed but neither discharged nor dismissed within the last 48 months are ineligible.
Not true. Discharged within 2 years is eligible for FHA.
@Anonymous wrote:
Well the thread was talking about Desktop Underwriter so I was keeping my answers confined to Fannie Mae conventional loan products. Yes FHA guidelines are different... As are Freddie Mac, VA, and USDA....
I read all your responses, they were very enlightening but you have to agree that some of the process is redundant and SLOW! One major area I have issues with, not everyone with cash sold cocaine to lay their hands on the cash! Some people gamble, some people have families abroad who could wire or send considerable high amounts of money. You can also swipe your credit card to buy things for family members and they give you cash in return, these kinds of cash are hard to explain.
Personally, I believe if one's income can be verified, and they are good on the DTI angle, a loan should be processed and approved. When I say processed, this should be done fairly quickly too, underwriting shouldn't take as long as it currently takes, this thing isn't rocket science. Underwriters should be able to go through 10-14 bank statements in hours. I know this because I go through about 6-8 credit card statements of mine within an hour or two at the most. Going through a credit report shouldn't take that long either as you know what you're looking for.