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FNMA owned property - questions

So I've found a property that has been acquired by the Federal National Mortgage Association.  The city's tax assessing website lists that the sale price on 6/16/2010 was for $214,590.  The owner before them owned it since 5/1/2002 and purchased it for $148,000.  It's listed city appraised/assessed value is $157,600 (which is what it is taxed on).  The house needs a few things before it will be move in ready, specifically the back porch needs to be completely removed and replaced.  The front porch needs to be shored a bit since it is sagging from age.  The house was built in 1949 and is on a 0.23 acre lot.

 

My LO ran our numbers real quick and we potentially qualify for a $175K mortgage thru FHA.  We make too much to qualify for the RD Guaranteed Loan program but I'm not sure about that yet.  This website (http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/HSF-Guar_Income_Limits.html -- select Maine) lists the RHS Moderate Income Guaranteed Loan for the Portland , ME HUD Metro FMR Area (where this house resides) as being $83,750.  We make $81,972...

 

My main questions are as follows:

 

1.  Since it is bank owned, think they'll be willing to cover closing costs?  How about some $ for fixing the issues?  Or is that just something FNMA won't do...?

 

2.  Do bank owned properties ever go for less than the listing price?  I've seen several properties in this area that aren't priced right since the owning institution won't accept offers lower than the asking price, not even by $1...

 

3.  An FHA Loan typically requires a 3.5% down payment, but the RD Guaranteed Loan program allows you to roll in the down payment into the mortgage, correct?

 

4.  If using RD does one still need to carry Mortgage Insurance that is normally required with an FHA Loan?

 

5.  How likely do you think this offer would be even considered; $110K purchase price, $10K repair allowance, and $5K closing cost allowance?

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As far as banks giving any concessions, that varies byt he bank.  Some do some do not.  Most would prefer straight cash deals so walking in with an FHA loan already puts you a notch down on their list with other offers.  Adding concessions is just one more dtep down on the list.

 

There is nothing saying that just because a bank is not willing negotiate price, that it is overpriced, but yes, sometimes they do go for less.  In our case we paid exactly what the list was.  Some banks just have a very straight forward listing policy.  They set the price they need to clear and that is the starting point.  In most of these cases, the home is probably listed for a bit less then local comps if they are unwilling to negotiate.  If a home is truly overpriced, banks will negotiate (At least after the first month or two on the market)

 

More than likely, FHA would requre the porches fixed so an allowance would not do it, the repairs would have to be made (unless it was an FHA 203 home rehab loan)  FHA will not fund a property that is not habitable and a sagging porch and one that needs rebuilt would probably fall under that.  More than likely the bank is not ogin to do the work not over money, but liability.  They want a quick and clean deal and would rather take a lesser cash offer than deal with the hassle of FHA as well as the liability involved with having those repairs made.  If you can get a 203K loan that may be an option as those loans are specifically for rehabbing a house. 

 

As far as the offer price, what is it currently for sale for.  You showed a price from 6 months ago.  Is it still for sale, and if so what is the current asking price?  Typically much more than 10% below asking is just a waste of your time unless you are a cash buyer, so if they are asking 200K a 110K offer with 15K in concessions probably would not even be responded to.  Banks have gotten pretty good at marketing homes in most cases (alot different from the beginning of the bust) and are not likely to price a home at 2x it's value.  They will market it for roughly the appraised value of the home.  It does them no good to mark it high, loose possible buyers, and waste time only for a loan to fall through because it does not appraise high enough.  (BTW, tax values have absolutely nothing to do with a homes value....)  Not to say the 200K price was not too high, but just that to really lowball, you bettter have cash and no conditions.  The deal you are presenting is only 95K cash to them MINUS realtors fees and with alot of extra time and liability. 

 

As far as USDA, I do not believe there is PMI of any kind.  I could be wrong.  As far as income, where are you getting your income from.  If someone got a raise last year in your household, your year end income (w2) may be different from what your yearly income is now and that is what they go buy for max guidelines. 

 

 

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mickie:  I forgot to type the list price, it is currently listed at $125K.

 

According to the listing agent, she had it under contract in September 2010 and the deal fell thru because of title issues.  The buyer was basically reading to move in and they pulled the plug.  She claims that the title issues have been cleaned up so it's back on the market...  Here is some more price history on the property:

 

12/11/2010    Listed for sale        $125,000    Fannie Mae (listed with Regency Realty Group)
10/10/2010    Listing removed     $129,900    Regency Realty Group     
06/24/2010    Listed for sale        $135,000    Regency Realty Group     
06/18/2010    Listing removed     $149,000    Coldwell Banker Team Real Estate     
05/20/2010    Listed for sale        $149,000    Coldwell Banker Team Real Estate     
03/24/2010    Listing removed     $179,900    NCI     
01/23/2010    Listed for sale        $179,900    NCI
11/01/2009    Listing removed     $149,000    Coldwell Banker Team Real Estate     
10/04/2009    Listed for sale        $149,000    Coldwell Banker Team Real Estate     
09/29/2009    Listing removed     $149,900    Team Real Estate     
07/18/2009    Price change          $149,900     Team Real Estate     
05/02/2009    Listed for sale        $179,900     Coldwell Banker
05/01/2002    Sold                          $148,000    Public Record

 

I totaled our year end income from last years W2's (2010) and then added the amount of my raise for 2011...  We also pay out $3947 in child care expenses.

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I would put money that it will not pass FHA and that is why it is still for sale.  2 years on the market should tell you something.  Even the cash investors do not want it to flip or rent.  Past title issues, major repair needed, 2 years on market....Sounds like a bad Tom Hanks movie.....  Walk away.  That's my advice.  Of course I am not there and have not seen the home, but bottom line is there are tons of investors out buying houses to clean up/rent/flip.  If this house was redeeemable, someone would have swooped in with cash and bought it sometime in the last 2 years.  (cash investors are not on a timeline usually so the title issue they would not have cared about as long as the bank took care of it before closing, unlike a normal buyer who often is in a hurry to close, etc)

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