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GMCTexas
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Fha streamline refinance, help me feel better about it

Was able to finally buy a house 2yrs ago after my credit was absolutely ruined in my divorce in 2011. Purchase price was 226k at 4.375. At the time rates were just starting to come back up and I was kind of disappointed I didn't get in under 4. My payment is $1450/mo.

So 2yrs later we owe 214k. The good news is the house would now appraise for over $250k. My wife sent me an article a week or so ago that said rates took a large, unexpected dive. So I got to thinking I wonder if I can refinance?

In a nutshell, I got ahead of Quicken Loans and have a loan estimate for a new 25yr loan, it would keep our monthly payment about the same, $1466, would actually add 3k onto the loan bringing it back to $217k, rate would be 3.875.

I went to bed last night thinking it was a good idea, but this morning I wake up and I'm not so sure.

So when we got the house I used a local mortgage company that was fantastic. I'd already been turned down by 2 big banks because my scores were not high enough for them. But about 3 months after we closed that company sold our loan to another servicer. I contacted the guy I delt with here locally for some advice. He said he did not recommend the refinance, but had I considered going conventional to eliminate PMI. I have no idea what it would take to qualify for a conventional loan, one thing is we simply do not have any available cash on hand to pay thousands of dollars to close. I was hoping maybe we could use some of the equity in the house to cover whatever closing costs would be associated with a conventional, assuming I can even qualify (scores just below 700, but alot of new credit cards in the last year or 2 + another deft consolidation loan in my name)

So, on the surface, going from 4.375 to 3.875, keeping virtually the same payment, chopping off 3yrs of the mortgage (28 left to 25) which by the math would save over $52k in payments in the next 3yrs, it seems like a great deal. But am I missing something? Wife is very wary of doing this.
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Anonymous
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Re: Fha streamline refinance, help me feel better about it

Sometimes the fees are build into the rate.  They call it lender credit.  The numbers should be clear on the estimate you receive after you apply.

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NC_Mtg_Loaner
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Re: Fha streamline refinance, help me feel better about it

if you switch from a 30 yr. term loan to a 25 yr. term loan then you are not talking about an FHA Streamline Refi which is rate and term only with no appraisal required.

 

In my opinion, based on what you've stated regarding the equity increase that's resulted over time, you might be better off looking into a conventional loan so that you can get yourself out of PMI quickly~especially if you go with a new 25 yr. amortization schedule.   (or look at the 20 year loan if you want a great investment idea....)

 

The FHA Streamline is a great loan program/refinance product but if your credit has improved you might really be better served in a conventional loan.

 

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GMCTexas
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The 25yr loan I'm talking about is, to my knowledge, an FHA streamline and I don't have to provide any proof of income, appraisal, nothing. My current mortgage is with a company called Freedom Mortgage, the 25yr loan was going to be through Quicken.

I've tried get ahold of the guy that helped me get my original mortgage, he had emailed me and mentioned possibly looking at a conventional to eliminate PMI, but last I heard from his was last Wed 🙄
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Anonymous
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@GMCTexas wrote:
The 25yr loan I'm talking about is, to my knowledge, an FHA streamline and I don't have to provide any proof of income, appraisal, nothing. My current mortgage is with a company called Freedom Mortgage, the 25yr loan was going to be through Quicken.

I've tried get ahold of the guy that helped me get my original mortgage, he had emailed me and mentioned possibly looking at a conventional to eliminate PMI, but last I heard from his was last Wed 🙄

Freedom Mortgage claims they will beat anyone's rate on their website.  They are my servicer also.

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GMCTexas
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Both freedom and Quicken have given me the same rate, 3.875. Both loan estimates are very similar, they each have worked the numbers a little differently in a few areas, but both come out about the same. The biggest difference is quicken will close after May 1 and I skip my May and June payment and begin in July, freedom I skip may and pay in June. The difference there is a few hundred dollars more in my pocket with quicken.

I don't have anything bad to say about Freedom mortgage. I've seen a number of reviews that are negative and there was a story about them getting busted for some shady VA loan stuff, but I pay my mortgage, they hold the note, there has not been any issue with me.

One other attractive thing with quicken is they will never sell my loan to another servicer. Have heard some issues with loans being sold and things falling through the cracks in the process. That's not a huge deal to me, but just 1 extra mark in the quicken column.
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@GMCTexas wrote:
Both freedom and Quicken have given me the same rate, 3.875. Both loan estimates are very similar, they each have worked the numbers a little differently in a few areas, but both come out about the same. The biggest difference is quicken will close after May 1 and I skip my May and June payment and begin in July, freedom I skip may and pay in June. The difference there is a few hundred dollars more in my pocket with quicken.

I don't have anything bad to say about Freedom mortgage. I've seen a number of reviews that are negative and there was a story about them getting busted for some shady VA loan stuff, but I pay my mortgage, they hold the note, there has not been any issue with me.

One other attractive thing with quicken is they will never sell my loan to another servicer. Have heard some issues with loans being sold and things falling through the cracks in the process. That's not a huge deal to me, but just 1 extra mark in the quicken column.

That is possibly the best deal you are going to get.  I think freedom was offering $1000 to beat anyone's price?

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VALoanMaster
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I would refi into a conventional loan & look at different options to get rid of the PMI as soon as possible on the conventional loan.

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GMCTexas
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Re: Fha streamline refinance, help me feel better about it

I've tried contacting the LO that helped me get this FHA loan 2yrs ago. He was fantastic then, made what we thought was impossible possible. I guess refis aren't as attractive to his office because he hasn't replied to me in 6 days. And I sent another email early this morning, nothing :/

I want to find out if I can qualify for a conventional loan before I accept this streamline, but time is running out. Yes, I could go elsewhere, but I just don't have the confidence that someone else can do it as 2yrs ago I was turned down by my own big bank and a large regional bank for a mortgage. However, the guy I worked with had me approved in 2 weeks. His company looks beyond just your Fico score like some (most?) banks do. That's why I'd prefer to stick with him. 🤷‍♂️
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@GMCTexas wrote:
I've tried contacting the LO that helped me get this FHA loan 2yrs ago. He was fantastic then, made what we thought was impossible possible. I guess refis aren't as attractive to his office because he hasn't replied to me in 6 days. And I sent another email early this morning, nothing :/

I want to find out if I can qualify for a conventional loan before I accept this streamline, but time is running out. Yes, I could go elsewhere, but I just don't have the confidence that someone else can do it as 2yrs ago I was turned down by my own big bank and a large regional bank for a mortgage. However, the guy I worked with had me approved in 2 weeks. His company looks beyond just your Fico score like some (most?) banks do. That's why I'd prefer to stick with him. 🤷‍♂️

The best case scenario on a FHA loan PMI or what FHA calls MIP is 11 years of MIP at 0.45% on a 15 year loan with 78% LTV.   https://www.fha.com/fha_requirements_mortgage_insurance

 

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