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Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull

We're reaching the home stretch in our home buying journey and I have a quick question.

 

We're using VUHL and they did a tough pre-approval of going through our full reports, tax docs, etc.  

We found a house, have been through inspection and appraisal was ordered yesterday.

Well, yesterday we also got our Conditional Approval for UW, too. 

So while we wait appraisal, we're down to waiting on a gift letter from my in-laws, to sign the satisfaction of repairs from our inspection, and for insurance binding once we have a close date.  

 

All of that said, we were warned that if we don't close by 9/24 when our last credit report expires, they'll have to pull another before closing.  I pulled mortgage scores via myFICO today and the mid score has dipped to 614 (they want 620).   We've had no new negatives, just a card reported with a balance that doesn't usually have one due to my husband's employer taking a little longer than normal to reimburse expenses.  Is this going to be a deal killer?  We'll be able to pay it down, but I'm concerned that if we close before the orignal estimated close date, that there won't be time for it to report and come back up, or that even that won't bring it back up quite enough.   We weren't even remotely borderline on DTI, just scores. 

 

Oh, and should I give our loan officer a heads up or pay the balance down and cross that bridge when/if we come to it?

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Revelate
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull

How long ago was their original pull?  Dipped since when?  The balance may swing it, or also after 30 days the grace period for your initial mortgage pulls are gone and may now be counting against you.  Guess that begs a third question how many cards do you have?

 

Anyway the second card reporting a balance could've whacked you; pay it, and if it comes to it just have them do a rapid rescore for some additional fee.   If you're uber lucky it was a Chase card that will re-report once you pay it heh.




        
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Anonymous
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull


@Revelate wrote:

How long ago was their original pull?  Dipped since when?  The balance may swing it, or also after 30 days the grace period for your initial mortgage pulls are gone and may now be counting against you.  Guess that begs a third question how many cards do you have?

 

Anyway the second card reporting a balance could've whacked you; pay it, and if it comes to it just have them do a rapid rescore for some additional fee.   If you're uber lucky it was a Chase card that will re-report once you pay it heh.


Originaly pull was 5/27, so 120 days is 9/26.  Scores started dipping in July as things that we paid off etc started dropping off, balances updated, etc.  

 

He has 3 cards of his own (two Cap Ones and a Credit One), one he is an AU on (USAA), and then three he used to be an AU on but is no longer, but they still report for some reason. 

 

When they pulled in May, Credit One had a $0 balance and wasn't even reporting, I don't think.  When it became active, the scores started dipping.  Balances/Limits went up in a big way (like 200%) on one of the Cap One's too, back in July.  That limit increase actually hurt a lot.  But even with all that, our DTI is around 25% with the new mortgage amount.  

And, I'm curious, might they have pulled a new report during under writing?  One of our conditions was an LOX for the only inquiry since they pulled originally.  That would mean they pulled again, wouldn't it?  But I don't see any inqueries on the reports I pulled today.  

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Wovenyarn
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull

I'm using VU as well. They pulled my credit twice before underwriting. I thought that lenders automatically do another credit pull right before closing? Is that not true?

Excuse typos. Iphone
Freedom $3k, DCU $5k, BoA Rewards $1k, BoA Americard $2k, Barclay's Ring $3k, Cap 1 Plat $2k, QS1 $2k, Discover IT $500, Lowe's $10k

Scores: EQ 687, TU 709, EX 692
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Revelate
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

How long ago was their original pull?  Dipped since when?  The balance may swing it, or also after 30 days the grace period for your initial mortgage pulls are gone and may now be counting against you.  Guess that begs a third question how many cards do you have?

 

Anyway the second card reporting a balance could've whacked you; pay it, and if it comes to it just have them do a rapid rescore for some additional fee.   If you're uber lucky it was a Chase card that will re-report once you pay it heh.


Originaly pull was 5/27, so 120 days is 9/26.  Scores started dipping in July as things that we paid off etc started dropping off, balances updated, etc.  

 

He has 3 cards of his own (two Cap Ones and a Credit One), one he is an AU on (USAA), and then three he used to be an AU on but is no longer, but they still report for some reason. 

 

When they pulled in May, Credit One had a $0 balance and wasn't even reporting, I don't think.  When it became active, the scores started dipping.  Balances/Limits went up in a big way (like 200%) on one of the Cap One's too, back in July.  That limit increase actually hurt a lot.  But even with all that, our DTI is around 25% with the new mortgage amount.  

And, I'm curious, might they have pulled a new report during under writing?  One of our conditions was an LOX for the only inquiry since they pulled originally.  That would mean they pulled again, wouldn't it?  But I don't see any inqueries on the reports I pulled today.  


If you don't see the inquiry they didn't do a HP.  Likely your balances shifting around is what got you... the Credit One card really wasn't reporting?  Yuck, another reason to dislike that card if there weren't enough already.  How does that work with their monthly fee that I thought they had?

 

Ideally when you're going through the process you keep changes to an absolute minimum though if an emergency came up you deal with it.  Prepay the CC's (the usual small reported balance on one card for optimization) / leave most cards sock drawered / no CLI's / sit quietly on one's hands heh.

 




        
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Revelate
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull


@Wovenyarn wrote:
I'm using VU as well. They pulled my credit twice before underwriting. I thought that lenders automatically do another credit pull right before closing? Is that not true?

Excuse typos. Iphone

Not necessarily, depends on the length of closing as the reports are only good for some amount of time.  My own experience was just a single inquiry for both processes I went through though didn't close on the first one and the second one was under 30 days.




        
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Wovenyarn
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull

That makes sense. I've been following the above advice anyway. Not using any credit and not applying for any credit or CLI.

I'm scheduled to close on 9/28.

KCRoyals, I hope you guys are able to close on time.
Freedom $3k, DCU $5k, BoA Rewards $1k, BoA Americard $2k, Barclay's Ring $3k, Cap 1 Plat $2k, QS1 $2k, Discover IT $500, Lowe's $10k

Scores: EQ 687, TU 709, EX 692
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Anonymous
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull


@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

How long ago was their original pull?  Dipped since when?  The balance may swing it, or also after 30 days the grace period for your initial mortgage pulls are gone and may now be counting against you.  Guess that begs a third question how many cards do you have?

 

Anyway the second card reporting a balance could've whacked you; pay it, and if it comes to it just have them do a rapid rescore for some additional fee.   If you're uber lucky it was a Chase card that will re-report once you pay it heh.


Originaly pull was 5/27, so 120 days is 9/26.  Scores started dipping in July as things that we paid off etc started dropping off, balances updated, etc.  

 

He has 3 cards of his own (two Cap Ones and a Credit One), one he is an AU on (USAA), and then three he used to be an AU on but is no longer, but they still report for some reason. 

 

When they pulled in May, Credit One had a $0 balance and wasn't even reporting, I don't think.  When it became active, the scores started dipping.  Balances/Limits went up in a big way (like 200%) on one of the Cap One's too, back in July.  That limit increase actually hurt a lot.  But even with all that, our DTI is around 25% with the new mortgage amount.  

And, I'm curious, might they have pulled a new report during under writing?  One of our conditions was an LOX for the only inquiry since they pulled originally.  That would mean they pulled again, wouldn't it?  But I don't see any inqueries on the reports I pulled today.  


If you don't see the inquiry they didn't do a HP.  Likely your balances shifting around is what got you... the Credit One card really wasn't reporting?  Yuck, another reason to dislike that card if there weren't enough already.  How does that work with their monthly fee that I thought they had?

 

Ideally when you're going through the process you keep changes to an absolute minimum though if an emergency came up you deal with it.  Prepay the CC's (the usual small reported balance on one card for optimization) / leave most cards sock drawered / no CLI's / sit quietly on one's hands heh.

 


I went back and looked and I guess it was reporting, just with a $0 balance.  But at the end of August we got an alert that sais "An account that has been inactive for more than 4 months has become recnelty active."  And that was the first time it had ever reported a balance since it was opened in March.   This card doesn't have a monthly fee.  It has an annual and it's interest is calaculated differently than any other card we've had (daily basis, no grace period before accruing, etc).  

We've been trying to keep the changes to a minimum, no new credit, etc.  But he uses his cards for work expenses....we're talking 6 - 21 day work trips where he has to front most costs up front and is reimbursed later.  Normally we're reimbursed and pay them back down before they report, but last month that did not happen and so it poked that card to active and reported higher than normal balanced on his other two.  All in all, it only added a $25 payment to our DTI, but dropped the score, and suppose it might look like we ran out and bought new furniture.  

 

So should I give our LO a heads up or keep quiet, pay it down and hope to close before they need a new report?  I really hate to see all this work go down the drain over something so silly as 6 score points because his employer was being slow on reimbursing us. :/

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

How long ago was their original pull?  Dipped since when?  The balance may swing it, or also after 30 days the grace period for your initial mortgage pulls are gone and may now be counting against you.  Guess that begs a third question how many cards do you have?

 

Anyway the second card reporting a balance could've whacked you; pay it, and if it comes to it just have them do a rapid rescore for some additional fee.   If you're uber lucky it was a Chase card that will re-report once you pay it heh.


Originaly pull was 5/27, so 120 days is 9/26.  Scores started dipping in July as things that we paid off etc started dropping off, balances updated, etc.  

 

He has 3 cards of his own (two Cap Ones and a Credit One), one he is an AU on (USAA), and then three he used to be an AU on but is no longer, but they still report for some reason. 

 

When they pulled in May, Credit One had a $0 balance and wasn't even reporting, I don't think.  When it became active, the scores started dipping.  Balances/Limits went up in a big way (like 200%) on one of the Cap One's too, back in July.  That limit increase actually hurt a lot.  But even with all that, our DTI is around 25% with the new mortgage amount.  

And, I'm curious, might they have pulled a new report during under writing?  One of our conditions was an LOX for the only inquiry since they pulled originally.  That would mean they pulled again, wouldn't it?  But I don't see any inqueries on the reports I pulled today.  


If you don't see the inquiry they didn't do a HP.  Likely your balances shifting around is what got you... the Credit One card really wasn't reporting?  Yuck, another reason to dislike that card if there weren't enough already.  How does that work with their monthly fee that I thought they had?

 

Ideally when you're going through the process you keep changes to an absolute minimum though if an emergency came up you deal with it.  Prepay the CC's (the usual small reported balance on one card for optimization) / leave most cards sock drawered / no CLI's / sit quietly on one's hands heh.

 


I went back and looked and I guess it was reporting, just with a $0 balance.  But at the end of August we got an alert that sais "An account that has been inactive for more than 4 months has become recnelty active."  And that was the first time it had ever reported a balance since it was opened in March.   This card doesn't have a monthly fee.  It has an annual and it's interest is calaculated differently than any other card we've had (daily basis, no grace period before accruing, etc).  

We've been trying to keep the changes to a minimum, no new credit, etc.  But he uses his cards for work expenses....we're talking 6 - 21 day work trips where he has to front most costs up front and is reimbursed later.  Normally we're reimbursed and pay them back down before they report, but last month that did not happen and so it poked that card to active and reported higher than normal balanced on his other two.  All in all, it only added a $25 payment to our DTI, but dropped the score, and suppose it might look like we ran out and bought new furniture.  

 

So should I give our LO a heads up or keep quiet, pay it down and hope to close before they need a new report?  I really hate to see all this work go down the drain over something so silly as 6 score points because his employer was being slow on reimbursing us. :/


Just pay it.  If it becomes an issue, rapid rescore can take care of it.




        
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Anonymous
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Re: Scores Dropping Before Final Credit Pull

Just a quick update: I let our LO know and she's just pushing to close before we need to pull new ones on the 25th of this month.  If not, we'll rapid rescore.  Hopes were not high to make it by that date, but just found out our appraisal is already completed and submitted and looks great -- appraised for our price and no repairs needed. Just waiting on the Notice of Value to wrap up and they expect that early next week.  Basically down to that piece of paper, a few loose ends from the seller's agent and our walk through to confirm inspection repairs were made.   We're so close!

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