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Hello Everyone,
Just writing to express my frustrations and ask for guidance. My wife and I are looking to spend 250k Max and have been pre approved for up to 270k for FHA mortgage. My scores currently at 646, 660, 695 and my wife is at about 695 720 and 750. We currently have about 15k saved for a down payment and our income together is about 90k DTI ratio about 29%. I had a Ch 13 bankruptcy discharged in 2014. I have discovered in the Atlanta metro region that buying a house is extremely competitive. First house, multiple offers situation, we offer $5000 over asking price and offer to pay our own closing costs, we lose the house to someone who came in and paid cash $1000 over asking price. Now, we have found a foreclosure house, offer $7k over asking price and $3000 back in closing costs which would net seller $4k over asking price but have now heard there's other conventional loans and other cash offers. My realtor is acting like anytime there's a conventional or cash offer, we are more than likely going to lose the house because we are an FHA loan even if we're outbidding people and bidding more than the asking price and this is just frustrating to me. This is a bank owned foreclosure so if our offer is $5k over a cash offer or a conventional offer, why wouldn't we win the deal.
Another question I have, first lender we went with was Liberty Mortage said interest rate for us will be about 4.875% but told us we could buy down points for $3514 to get down to 4.0% interest rate. Was doing some shopping around with other lenders and another lender told me this claim was ridiculous and I was given bad information and should not expect to be able to go from 4.875% to 4.0% from spending $3514 to buy down points. Does anything know if this is true or if the new lender is just trying to steal my business away? My wife and I are just getting frustrated because so far everytime we make an offer on a house, either a cash offer or conventional offer less than what we're offering beats out our FHA loan.
Thanks,
Stephen
The rate quote of 4.875% is not very favorable. Im literally looking at our FHA rate sheet right now... For a 30 year fixed rate (in Georgia) with a 660 middle fico score, the Interest rate with no points is 3.95%
Not that anyone would want to do this but if you were to buy this rate down to 3.625% it would cost you $3,104... It is very odd that they told you that you can buy from 4.875% to 4% costing you that little. I notice many people , (including people on this site) are just happy to be approved - so happy that they don't realize how bad many of these lenders offers are and don't bother looking for a better offer.
@Anonymous wrote:Hello Everyone,
Just writing to express my frustrations and ask for guidance. My wife and I are looking to spend 250k Max and have been pre approved for up to 270k for FHA mortgage. My scores currently at 646, 660, 695 and my wife is at about 695 720 and 750. We currently have about 15k saved for a down payment and our income together is about 90k DTI ratio about 29%. I had a Ch 13 bankruptcy discharged in 2014. I have discovered in the Atlanta metro region that buying a house is extremely competitive. First house, multiple offers situation, we offer $5000 over asking price and offer to pay our own closing costs, we lose the house to someone who came in and paid cash $1000 over asking price. Now, we have found a foreclosure house, offer $7k over asking price and $3000 back in closing costs which would net seller $4k over asking price but have now heard there's other conventional loans and other cash offers. My realtor is acting like anytime there's a conventional or cash offer, we are more than likely going to lose the house because we are an FHA loan even if we're outbidding people and bidding more than the asking price and this is just frustrating to me. This is a bank owned foreclosure so if our offer is $5k over a cash offer or a conventional offer, why wouldn't we win the deal.
Another question I have, first lender we went with was Liberty Mortage said interest rate for us will be about 4.875% but told us we could buy down points for $3514 to get down to 4.0% interest rate. Was doing some shopping around with other lenders and another lender told me this claim was ridiculous and I was given bad information and should not expect to be able to go from 4.875% to 4.0% from spending $3514 to buy down points. Does anything know if this is true or if the new lender is just trying to steal my business away? My wife and I are just getting frustrated because so far everytime we make an offer on a house, either a cash offer or conventional offer less than what we're offering beats out our FHA loan.
Thanks,
Stephen
The likely reason your higher bid is being refused in return for a lower cash bid is because cash comes with fewer/no contingencies. The local market here is also a seller's market. A condo we share a wall with sold last year after being on the market for 6 days at $103,000 over asking price in an all-cash offer. It's not uncommon for a seller to get dozens of offers over asking price, several in the form of cash from an investor wanting to expand his/her rental empire. We visit open-houses where the realtor says 'all offers due by 2:00 on Monday. Contingencies not accepted.'
With conventional loans, there's a bit more leeway to waive things like inspections. Some conventional loans will allow the buyer to basically make a cash bid, and any risk or loss on the home is the responsibility of the buyer. FHA mortgages are a little more protected.
From a seller's perspective, if you could accept an offer of $1,000,000 on your home no questions asked or an offer of $1,050,000 pending an inspection for the bank and a final mortgage approval, either of which allow the buyer to back out, ask you to reduce your price and/or repair damage, which would you take?
Don't lose hope with the FHA process. I live in an expensive area and wasn't able to save 20% for a down payment. I used an FHA loan and got a condo in 2016, there were other offers on the table, but having the right real estate agent and a local mortgage company experienced with FHA loans was key to getting the deal done.
I'm having the same problem with a 100% Homebuyers Choice loan through Navy Federal. It's extremely frustrating and disheartening when I've worked for years to repair my credit (started in the 400s, mortage scores now over 790) and can't buy a home because there's always someone able to lay down half a million in cash. I'm looking at another place tomorrow, and if that one doesn't work out, I'm going to take a break for a while and keep saving while crossing my fingers that the market balances out.
@Anonymous wrote:Hello Everyone,
Just writing to express my frustrations and ask for guidance. My wife and I are looking to spend 250k Max and have been pre approved for up to 270k for FHA mortgage. My scores currently at 646, 660, 695 and my wife is at about 695 720 and 750. We currently have about 15k saved for a down payment and our income together is about 90k DTI ratio about 29%. I had a Ch 13 bankruptcy discharged in 2014. I have discovered in the Atlanta metro region that buying a house is extremely competitive. First house, multiple offers situation, we offer $5000 over asking price and offer to pay our own closing costs, we lose the house to someone who came in and paid cash $1000 over asking price. Now, we have found a foreclosure house, offer $7k over asking price and $3000 back in closing costs which would net seller $4k over asking price but have now heard there's other conventional loans and other cash offers. My realtor is acting like anytime there's a conventional or cash offer, we are more than likely going to lose the house because we are an FHA loan even if we're outbidding people and bidding more than the asking price and this is just frustrating to me. This is a bank owned foreclosure so if our offer is $5k over a cash offer or a conventional offer, why wouldn't we win the deal.
Another question I have, first lender we went with was Liberty Mortage said interest rate for us will be about 4.875% but told us we could buy down points for $3514 to get down to 4.0% interest rate. Was doing some shopping around with other lenders and another lender told me this claim was ridiculous and I was given bad information and should not expect to be able to go from 4.875% to 4.0% from spending $3514 to buy down points. Does anything know if this is true or if the new lender is just trying to steal my business away? My wife and I are just getting frustrated because so far everytime we make an offer on a house, either a cash offer or conventional offer less than what we're offering beats out our FHA loan.
Thanks,
Stephen
To compeate you need to find a seller ie foreclosure that has a first look policy geared toward owner occupants. HUD comes to mind first.
Go to hudhomestore.com It is free to search . Hudhomestore makes no preference between cash convential or FHA. Unless you have a buyer's agreement I would use the HUD local listing broker as my agent.. HUD is a very strange animal most agents don't understand. Some other foreclosure sellers also have first look policies but do favor cash DW and I own a midsized brokerage firm and and are the listing broker for Fannie Mae, HUD, VA,Bank of America, US Bank, BB&T, Suntrust and others for several counties. First look policies keep out investors usually.
Yup, I am in Texas and my little town I want to stay in is going to cause me this same issue. I went to that HUD website suggested and of course there are none in my zip code... this is gonna be a long frustrating journey I am afraid
@Anonymous wrote:Yup, I am in Texas and my little town I want to stay in is going to cause me this same issue. I went to that HUD website suggested and of course there are none in my zip code... this is gonna be a long frustrating journey I am afraid
I would check atleast every monday, Wednesday and Friday night. You may want to check out the whole county. We have a property now listed with a zip code of X city but its really in Y city at the edge of x and y. The site is updated in real time. Once you find one in your area be sure and read the property condition report. It will tell you what know HUD knows is wrong based on the initial inspection.