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Navy Fed’s loose UW cause for concern?

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lyTENciL
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Navy Fed’s loose UW cause for concern?

I've adopted Navy as my primary bank since joining about a year ago. I give them my paycheck DD, mid 5 figure savings, CD, SSL. They're the front runner for my planned mortgage apping. I got a 25K CC from them. Like everyone else on this board, I was enthralled by their generosity of credit limits. But I've been paying more attention to the monster SLs they give to people with BKs, mid-600 ficos. I'm starting to be concerned about what this indicates about their level of exposure. I know they are the largest CU, with $100B+ assets. They don't do the risky investment bank stuff that got the big FIs in so much trouble in the last crisis, afaik. 

Am I nuts to worry about this? Does loose consumer credit UW present any realistic risk down the line? Why or why not?


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Re: Navy Fed’s loose UW cause for concern?


@lyTENciL wrote:

I've adopted Navy as my primary bank since joining about a year ago. I give them my paycheck DD, mid 5 figure savings, CD, SSL. They're the front runner for my planned mortgage apping. I got a 25K CC from them. Like everyone else on this board, I was enthralled by their generosity of credit limits. But I've been paying more attention to the monster SLs they give to people with BKs, mid-600 ficos. I'm starting to be concerned about what this indicates about their level of exposure. I know they are the largest CU, with $100B+ assets. They don't do the risky investment bank stuff that got the big FIs in so much trouble in the last crisis, afaik. 

Am I nuts to worry about this? Does loose consumer credit UW present any realistic risk down the line? Why or why not?


I worry about this as well, but I assume Navy has highly paid individuals and some fantastic data trends to support their continued decision to be loose with the SL/CLs - otherwise, they would have cut back a long time ago.  They also know they have the ability to cut back both new and existing limits if it becomes a problem.

 

The fact that they haven't reinforces my belief that whatever data they are looking at supports their approach to credit card limits.

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Maybe I’m nuts but when NFCU cracked the door and let me in I was so happy and felt this forum had helped me so much. I then felt I wanted to crack that door for the next person. Not close it. Hopefully NFCU will continue to help everyone. Every time I read a post for an approval I remember how I felt. I leave the how, who and when to Navy Federal. That’s what they get paid for. GO NAVY

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@lyTENciL wrote:

I've adopted Navy as my primary bank since joining about a year ago. I give them my paycheck DD, mid 5 figure savings, CD, SSL. They're the front runner for my planned mortgage apping. I got a 25K CC from them. Like everyone else on this board, I was enthralled by their generosity of credit limits. But I've been paying more attention to the monster SLs they give to people with BKs, mid-600 ficos. I'm starting to be concerned about what this indicates about their level of exposure. I know they are the largest CU, with $100B+ assets. They don't do the risky investment bank stuff that got the big FIs in so much trouble in the last crisis, afaik. 

Am I nuts to worry about this? Does loose consumer credit UW present any realistic risk down the line? Why or why not?


@lyTENciL That is also something I have considered as well. I have personally benefitted from Navy's "loose uw" for those with lower scores. I think they have a few factors in their favor aside from their decades long credit data trends analysis:

 

- they are a credit union, and are not a publically owned by investors looking to maximize their stocks prices/dividend payouts every quarter.

 

- limited membership (at any time they can restrict membership even further, if IIRC they used to only extend membership to members of the Navy and their family members).

 

- internal scoring model (as evidenced by the amount of folks with great scores who are denied or only approved with toy limits, they seem to value their proprietary internal scoring system which also seems to favor internal payment history/membership metrics).

 

- sensitivity to dti (most credit unions seem to be sensitive to high dti).

 

- lastly they also have a ban hammer for anyone who burns them in bk, which ensures that at least some of those folks may come back to the fold after making them whole.

 

They also can perform AA like any other financial institution in case things get really bad (limiting cli or decreasing unused limits or flat out closing accounts like Synch).

 

I think it's a good sign that they began limiting credit limit increases to $4k during this down turn.

 

The last thing I will mention although I am super biased is that I will absolutely continue to sing their praises. They have continued to help me tremendously during my rebuild (no bk). I would hate for others who qualify for membership to get cut out and not get the helping hand.

 

Also, I believe they still have a rule where you can't get approved for an unsecured card within a year or two of bk. Most of those folks had a secured card which graduated.

 

Plus it seems that financial institutions go through periods where they are more "loose with uw". Capital one used to be fairly loose, until they clamped down recently.

 

These are jmho (I'm not learned so that's my best guess). 

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Personally I feel that their credit card portfolio is only one small portion of their business I don’t know what the percentage is, really, but I know a certain amount of money set aside for potential defaults.

And as stated since they are a credit union and not chasing profit it’s easier for them to absorb the losses and, I think a lot of people with navy do the right thing. I wonder if anyone has looked at their annual report and sought the default rate and compared it to other lenders?
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Shooting-For-800
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Re: Navy Fed’s loose UW cause for concern?

They are not that loose; they won’t give me a cli.

Smiley Happy

 

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AverageJoesCredit
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@lyTENciL wrote:

I've adopted Navy as my primary bank since joining about a year ago. I give them my paycheck DD, mid 5 figure savings, CD, SSL. They're the front runner for my planned mortgage apping. I got a 25K CC from them. Like everyone else on this board, I was enthralled by their generosity of credit limits. But I've been paying more attention to the monster SLs they give to people with BKs, mid-600 ficos. I'm starting to be concerned about what this indicates about their level of exposure. I know they are the largest CU, with $100B+ assets. They don't do the risky investment bank stuff that got the big FIs in so much trouble in the last crisis, afaik. 

Am I nuts to worry about this? Does loose consumer credit UW present any realistic risk down the line? Why or why not?


Yes, you are nutsSmiley Wink. Let those people default. They will only hurt themselves. I agree though its mindboggling but i wont complain because they put more faith in us that no other would so it makes me triple more wary of not burning them.  At the end of day its on us to  keep up our part of the agreement. And honestly, for most of our members , we've earned this kind of treatment through selfless service to country.Smiley Happy

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AverageJoesCredit
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@Anonymous wrote:

@lyTENciL wrote:

I've adopted Navy as my primary bank since joining about a year ago. I give them my paycheck DD, mid 5 figure savings, CD, SSL. They're the front runner for my planned mortgage apping. I got a 25K CC from them. Like everyone else on this board, I was enthralled by their generosity of credit limits. But I've been paying more attention to the monster SLs they give to people with BKs, mid-600 ficos. I'm starting to be concerned about what this indicates about their level of exposure. I know they are the largest CU, with $100B+ assets. They don't do the risky investment bank stuff that got the big FIs in so much trouble in the last crisis, afaik. 

Am I nuts to worry about this? Does loose consumer credit UW present any realistic risk down the line? Why or why not?


I worry about this as well, but I assume Navy has highly paid individuals and some fantastic data trends to support their continued decision to be loose with the SL/CLs - otherwise, they would have cut back a long time ago.  They also know they have the ability to cut back both new and existing limits if it becomes a problem.

 

The fact that they haven't reinforces my belief that whatever data they are looking at supports their approach to credit card limits.


Well said. We often think our limits are uncutable. It only has to happen onceSmiley Wink

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AverageJoesCredit
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@Shooting-For-800 wrote:

They are not that loose; they won’t give me a cli.

Smiley Happy

 


And i have been denied multiple times 🙃.  Even trying to help Dad with a consolidation loan they said no so they do know when the risk isnt worth the rewardSmiley Wink

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spiritcraft1
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Re: Navy Fed’s loose UW cause for concern?

They have been giving out often huge limits to people in the high 500's even for more than a decade.  They are more strict now than they were years ago.  This is why there were actually people joining the Coast Guard Auxiliary just to get in 10 years ago.  Before I joined, I used to see shocking approvals out of them.  My $8.2 limit Flagship @ a 590 TU09 two years ago was shocking as well.  Smiley Happy  I think they know what they are doing though.

 

Edit to add:  They are indeed huge but have relatively few branches.  Their overhead is much less than a "Bank" especially since there are no pigs at the top with 5 mansions, a private Island, golden parachutes and a fleet of private jets.  They are basically a huge digital based lender and I bet they doing quite well.  I don't plan on ever finiding out but I hear they play hardball with those who burn them.


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