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Hello All!
I was just approved for a personal loan through PenFed CU. My main reason for the loan is for credit card debt consolidation and to fix my credit utilization.
I initially applied for $20k and after speaking with customer service, she stated that the loan officer said they were willing to approve at that amount if I agreed to lower my card with them from $15k to $10k. I didn't expect that and I wasn't totally against it. However, I did mention that when I put the request in I included all credit cards, including the 1 with them and maybe I should lower the loan amount. So we decided to go with $15k and I still can keep my current limit on the Platinum.
I agreed to $15k @ 17.99% for $380~/month. That rate is lower than my current cards that are accruing interest but not lower than PenFed’s Platinum card so I will not use the money towards that account. My monthly payments will be in the same ballpark as if I was paying them separately, but I wanted the simplicity. I realized afterwards after doing additional reading that this will have a great impact on my credit utilization and score as personal loans are not factored into revolving credit debt utilization.
With this money, I plan to pay off Capital One, Chase (both cards), Citi and $5800~ towards Discover.
Current situation:
Capital One - 1438/1550 - 93%
Chase Freedom - 1639/6500 - 25%
Chase Amazon - 2830/3000 - 94%
Citi Simplicity - 3268/4900 - 67%
PenFed Platinum - 3416/15000 - 23%
Discover IT - 9533/14500 - 66%
Total Estimated Credit - $71, 350 (I have cards not listed with 0 balances)
Utilization - 30-31%
I set out on this journey to increase my credit score because that is what's hurting it is my utilization. Everything else is good. I tried getting a CLI on my Lowes card, currently at $5k, for a kitchen reno and was denied and the reason was credit utilization. Now, I’m confused at what to do since the bigger goal is to be free of this high credit card debt.
Do I go through all of this, get the loan (check expedited and expected tomorrow), pay off the cards, hopefully get the boost in score and no doubt the utilization is dropping.....just to turn around and app for a higher credit limit to charge $10k+?? I feel like I would be running in circles and defeating the main focus here of ridding myself of this debt.
I didn't expect this post to be so long. But I appreciate all the help and advice even when I don't post!
Thanks!!
I am somewhat baffled as to the nature of your dilemma. Take a step back and look at the numbers you have posted. It's quite clear here that you're spending far in excess of your earning capability. The Cap1 and Amazon cards prove that, since those are reasonably small amounts and should be paid off monthly at the very least at those levels, if you're spending in accordance with income. The Disco card is also crazy high util.
The utilization isn't what's killing your FICO, it's your overspending. The utilization is a marker for that, not the cause. And now, you are trading all that utilization for a loan with interest on the high side, which as you have found will improve your score. Unfortunately, this solution has 3 major drawbacks. First, it looks and feels like a positive thing, but frankly, it isn't and even if it were, you haven't earned it. It's rarely a good idea to get new debt before retiring old debt. Second, it improves your FICO score enough to get you into some real trouble which you may not be able to solve, and lastly, it hides the truth and keeps you from making positive lifestyle adjustments that will serve you well over your lifetime.
Another way to look at it. You can't pay what you owe now, so you are seeking a consolidation loan, to improve your credit score so you can borrow more. What? Perhaps I've misunderstood. However, if I read this correctly, then it's time for you to review your situation thoroughly and see how you got here, and if those choices that put you here made sense.
There may be wonderful--hopefully short term--reasons why your finances are distressed. But there are also warning signs here, and the sooner you deal appropriately with them, the better the outcome for you and your creditors. Best of luck.
@Anonymous wrote:I am somewhat baffled as to the nature of your dilemma. Take a step back and look at the numbers you have posted. It's quite clear here that you're spending far in excess of your earning capability. The Cap1 and Amazon cards prove that, since those are reasonably small amounts and should be paid off monthly at the very least at those levels, if you're spending in accordance with income. The Disco card is also crazy high util.
The utilization isn't what's killing your FICO, it's your overspending. The utilization is a marker for that, not the cause. And now, you are trading all that utilization for a loan with interest on the high side, which as you have found will improve your score. Unfortunately, this solution has 3 major drawbacks. First, it looks and feels like a positive thing, but frankly, it isn't and even if it were, you haven't earned it. It's rarely a good idea to get new debt before retiring old debt. Second, it improves your FICO score enough to get you into some real trouble which you may not be able to solve, and lastly, it hides the truth and keeps you from making positive lifestyle adjustments that will serve you well over your lifetime.
Another way to look at it. You can't pay what you owe now, so you are seeking a consolidation loan, to improve your credit score so you can borrow more. What? Perhaps I've misunderstood. However, if I read this correctly, then it's time for you to review your situation thoroughly and see how you got here, and if those choices that put you here made sense.
There may be wonderful--hopefully short term--reasons why your finances are distressed. But there are also warning signs here, and the sooner you deal appropriately with them, the better the outcome for you and your creditors. Best of luck.
^^These are my thoughts stated more eloquently and in more detail than I could have done.
OP, to use your own words, I think you are in fact running in circles and getting away from the main point of reducing your debt. The fix here lies in budgeting and putting off those purchases you're not quite ready for, and doing things like kitchen renovations after all existing debt is cleared.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I do want to point out that at no point did I say I could not afford to make those monthly payments. I also did not list my income to come to those conclusions.
I specifically said in my initial post that "My monthly payments will be in the same ballpark as if I was paying them separately, but I wanted the simplicity". I also wanted the set time frame to have it paid off so that I can set bigger goals to have it paid off before the 60 months which is more than possible with my excess in income.
I can and have been making those payments on an autopay at the minimum and no more thought to it. I also decided to open a statement one month for one of my cards a saw what I was being charged in interest was close to my monthly payment. I also had an increase in my income once again and saw that I continuously have an excess every month and maybe this is the time to seriously set a goal to get rid of the debt I put on cruise control.
2 months ago if I would have been approved for a higher limit on my Lowes card, this post would not exist. The financing options on the card are more than affordable with still meeting my CCs monthly obligations.
Like I said, I wanted to get serious with these goals. So I signed up for monitoring again. If the below doesn't show that it's truly my utilization hurting my score then I need to continue my research.
So to put more clarity on my dilemma...Do I throw everything at my debt and my put kitchen on hold again? Do I still get the kitchen and throw remainder at both debts? I know what I need to do. I also know what I can do (financially).
Thanks!
@Anonymous wrote:I am somewhat baffled as to the nature of your dilemma. Take a step back and look at the numbers you have posted. It's quite clear here that you're spending far in excess of your earning capability. The Cap1 and Amazon cards prove that, since those are reasonably small amounts and should be paid off monthly at the very least at those levels, if you're spending in accordance with income. The Disco card is also crazy high util.
The utilization isn't what's killing your FICO, it's your overspending. The utilization is a marker for that, not the cause. And now, you are trading all that utilization for a loan with interest on the high side, which as you have found will improve your score. Unfortunately, this solution has 3 major drawbacks. First, it looks and feels like a positive thing, but frankly, it isn't and even if it were, you haven't earned it. It's rarely a good idea to get new debt before retiring old debt. Second, it improves your FICO score enough to get you into some real trouble which you may not be able to solve, and lastly, it hides the truth and keeps you from making positive lifestyle adjustments that will serve you well over your lifetime.
Another way to look at it. You can't pay what you owe now, so you are seeking a consolidation loan, to improve your credit score so you can borrow more. What? Perhaps I've misunderstood. However, if I read this correctly, then it's time for you to review your situation thoroughly and see how you got here, and if those choices that put you here made sense.
There may be wonderful--hopefully short term--reasons why your finances are distressed. But there are also warning signs here, and the sooner you deal appropriately with them, the better the outcome for you and your creditors. Best of luck.
The way my brain works....i understand the dilemma.
But zipperhead put in some words of wisdom.
Just want to say that you should take all words and use them to your advantage.
Get your debt lowered quickly, because if not it is only going to grow.
I have not been deep in the hole, but I have had some troubles in the past
and luckily been nervous enough to change before it got worse.
If you income supports your spending, then payoff or paydown should only
require a few months or less. If it requires longer i.e. a 12-36 month loan, then
things are not looking good, and will continue to get worse unless a strict budget
is put into place.
Many here can help show how to budget or control spending, or even just reduce debt quickly.
Shuffling debt is not always the best choice.
Good luck and again, hope you take all the words and put them to good use.
You posted before i posted lol.
Yes, pay down your debt as quickly as possible.
Perhaps no spending on anything but rent/mortgage and utilities/auto gas payments
The faster you pay it off the faster you can relieve some stress.
Hi!
Thanks for sleeping on it! I hesitated with the drop is credit line because it was defeating the purpose I set out to do - drop my utilization. Taking away 7% of my total available credit didn't make sense while on the line with the representative waiting for an immediate answer. Like most of you, I started apping for cards a little over 2 yrs ago after staying on this board. I wanted to reach new levels with available credit and get CCs I never thought I could. Most of those cards I got from that spree. Not Cap1, I believe they bought out Orchard when I had them.
I truly try to keep an open mind to all advice. I've pulled out my CCs to get points instead of using cash. And when the time came around to pay what I used in credit, I didn't. I used 30% of my available credit and although it's at the FAIR zone, I don't want to the misconception that I can't pay my bills or I overspend living behind my means. I think I used credit WRONG. Not following the rules of PIF or more than the minimum to eliminate the balance faster. But that is going to change. I can imagine what I can do with an extra $400/mo not going towards CC debt!
I think it's too late to go back and get the $20k as the check is expected by 12pm today through FedEx. But what I will do is leave Cap1 out the mix and shift those funds to Discover. I can and should have knocked out Cap1 sooner. I hope that's a smarter decision.
Thanks again for your input!!
@Anonymous wrote:
Hello!
The fact that you posted this here indicates to me that you know you are making shaky choices here. I first read this last night but wanted to sleep on it before sending a response. Because you have lots of debt on many cards and are lucky enough to be approved for the loan you should ( in my experience AND opinion) take the loan out for 20k consolidate ALL of your credit card debt and stop using your cards until you are able to pay off the loan. What I think has happened which happened to me and maybe others is by not doing a budget and using credit cards regularly you have overspent for quite a bit of time. When I decided to stop using credit for a while I realized how much I was overspending and how much money I truly needed to be living off of and it helped me so much. I honestly think reducing your cl to 10k from 15k is a great idea and I’m not sure why you are “completely against it”?
Good luck with what you decide and I wrote this entire thing with a desire to help in mind. I’m not judging as I have learned this advice in real life which was quite a struggle that I’m still paying for.
Alright! The NEED outweighs the WANT. I'll modify this goal and say, "The faster I pay off this CC debt, the faster I can get my kitchen". The consolidation visually is more of a motivator than seeing 6 line items in my budget. I started using Every Dollar again so I'm moving in the right direction mentally.
Off to the bank as the check just arrived. Too big for mobile deposit.
Thank you!
@Anonymous wrote:You posted before i posted lol.
Yes, pay down your debt as quickly as possible.
Perhaps no spending on anything but rent/mortgage and utilities/auto gas payments
The faster you pay it off the faster you can relieve some stress.
Good to hear.
If consolidation helps the main objective to reduce the overall debt, then it is a good thing.
One payment is good.
Just do your best to make the highest payments you can financially without going overboard,
and yes to the once paid off, you can get your new kitchen! (i like that!)
More times then not, debt grows. So just stay on track and not let it get out of control.