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I read that late payment stays on your CR for up to 7 years. I noticed only 24 months of payments are shown on the CRs. Does it disappear after two years?
7 years.
@RobertEG wrote:
Reporting Limits under the FCRAThis is a summary of the provisions of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) as it relates to how long negative (derogatory) information may be reported by any creditor to a CRA, and thus affect credit scores.
(Source: www.cardreport.com/credit-problems/time/html)
Making payments or partial payments on bad debts does not effect the running of the credit reporting time limits, except in the case of tax liens and federal student loans. All other types of items should expire on schedule, based on the original dates, regardless of when or whether they are paid. There was previously a great deal of confusion over the starting point, which could have been interpreted as the date of the last activity on the account. This resulted in the possibility of "re-setting the clock" on an old bad debt by making a payment on it, or by paper-shuffling on the part of collection agencies. The issue was clarified in the 1996 amendments to the FCRA, which set a specific starting date that is now SET BY LAW as the last deliqency date, and not later dates, such as a DOLP.
FCRA Section 605:
(c) Running of reporting period.(1) In general. The 7-year period referred to in paragraphs (4) and (6) ** of subsection (a) shall begin, with respect to any delinquent account that is placed for collection (internally or by referral to a third party, whichever is earlier), charged to profit and loss, or subjected to any similar action, upon the expiration of the 180-day period beginning on the date of the commencement of the delinquency which immediately preceded the collection activity, charge to profit and loss, or similar action.
Inquiries - Two years. However, while inquiries may continue to report under the FCRA for up to two years, the FICO scoring model does not include them in scoring calculations after one year.
Late Payments - Seven years from the month in which the late payment was due. If there are multiple late payments in one account item, then they will each expire individually.
Charge-Offs - Seven years. The time runs from the date of the delinquency, plus 180 days. For example, if a payment was due on an account on January 1, 2001, but the debtor defaulted, and never caught up to become current again, and the account is eventually declared a charge-off by the creditor, then the seven year reporting time limit starts running on July 1, 2001, with the item scheduled to expire from his/her credit reports on July 1, 2008.
Collection Accounts - Seven years. The running of this time limit is the same as with charge-offs. The date of delinquency still refers to the original delinquency with the original creditor, regardless of when the collection agency began calling for payment of the debt. Collection agencies cannot legally "re-set the clock." FCRA 605.c.1.
Lawsuits And Judgements - Seven years or until the governing statute of limitations has expired, whichever is longer.
Bankruptcy - The FCRA permits a CRA to continue to report all bankrupties for ten years from the date of entry of the order for relief or the date of adjudication. Chapter 7 (liquidation) bankruptcies remain for 10 years. Chapter 13 (payment plan) bankruptcies may be deleted by some CRAs after 7 years, but it is at their discretion.
Paid Tax Liens - Seven years from the date of payment of the lien.
Unpaid Tax Liens - Forever (unless paid, then 7 years from lien payment)
Unpaid Federal Student Loans - Forever (unless paid, after which they can appear for seven years.)
Exceptions:
The above time limits apply to credit reports which would be available to creditors for most types of credit applications. However, the credit bureaus are legally permitted to disclose older information in the following situations:A credit application involving a principle loan amount of $150,000 or more.
An application for a life insurance policy with a payout of $150,000 or more.
An application for employment in a position paying $75,000 per year or more.
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/pdf-0111-fair-credit-reporting-act.pdf
@Anonymous wrote:I read that late payment stays on your CR for up to 7 years. I noticed only 24 months of payments are shown on the CRs. Does it disappear after two years?
They do stay on for 7 years.
30d and 60d lates lose their sting over time while 90d+ lates tend to hurt your scores the entire 7 years. I believe they say 30d and 60d lates affects fade after the 2 year mark.
If you pull your CRs from annual credit report for free (no scores) they are quite comprehensive and should show your entire payment history for each account.
In view of updated information from multiple sources, my previous statement that monthly delinquencies each expire individually at 7 years from their reported month/year of delinquency has been amended.
The legal requirement for removal of all types of adverse items of information from credit reports is set forth in FCRA 605(a). While the FCRA provides detailed begin dates and removal periods for certain types of adverse information, only four specific subsections, namely FCRA 605(a)(1) - ( 4) relate to specific types of derogatory items, including bankruptcy, tax liens, civil judgements, and collections and charge-offs.
There is no separate and specific subsection that defines the exclusion of monthly delinquencies.
If a type of derog, such as a monthly delinquency or repo, is not included under sections (a)(1) - (a)(4), then it is covered under a general, "catch-all" subsection 605(a)(5), which specifies only that "any other adverse item of information" has a 7 year exclusion period.
Since it is a general exclusion provision, it does not define the specific begin date for the running of the 7 year period.
Whenever a statute is broad or vague, it is left to the courts to provide their own interpretation.
Unfortunately, as relates to monthly delinquencies, there is no uniform court precedent establishing a single interpretation of when the 7 year exclusion period begins for monthly lates.
As such, the CRAs have each developed their own interpretation of the exclusion begin date for reported monthly delinquencies. The most favorable interpretation is provided by EQ, and is discussed on their web page.
In a nutshell, they exclude all reported monthly delinquencies that are in a common chain at 7 years from the date of initial delinquency on the debt.
The other two CRAs have no published interpretation, and normally exclude individually at 7 years from the month/year of each delinquency.
Until the courts establish uniform precedent for interpretation of the exlusion begin date of the 7 year period for monthly delinquencies, you are likely to see different exclusion dates with different CRAs.
Not quite. I had a 30d late which was removed (EE) by one CRA and that score went up 50 points. It was my only derog.
@Anonymous wrote:Not quite. I had a 30d late which was removed (EE) by one CRA and that score went up 50 points. It was my only derog.
Vantage score or fico score? I find it difficult to believe a single 30d brought your score up 50 points. Only exception would be it was recent and ppssiboy have a thin file.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Not quite. I had a 30d late which was removed (EE) by one CRA and that score went up 50 points. It was my only derog.
Vantage score or fico score? I find it difficult to believe a single 30d brought your score up 50 points. Only exception would be it was recent and ppssiboy have a thin file.
My EX fico 8 went from 755 to 805. EQ is 744 and will likely see a boost in a couple months when the same late falls off. TU is 809, the late is not on my TU report. The late was from 12/2013. What do you consider a thin file?