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Hi there, I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I've been monitoring these boards for months now, while trying to repair my credit, but my efforts are having absolutely no effect on my score. My score a year ago was 629, with a high of 655 a few months before that. My low score is 469, with a current of 496 =(. I had some major set backs earlier this year and missed quite a few payments, so I know thats a huge factor on my low score that only time can erase. My last late account was brought current in September.
My current accounts are as follows:
BoA // $1800 // $1646 // 11.99%
Discover // $1750 // $1224 // 9.99%
Chase // $1400 // $1545 // 27.99%
CapOne // $1500 // $1166 // 18.05%
Chase and Capital One are closed by issuer. Discover has never reported my account as closed, however I voluntarily closed it for a year to get a better rate, and it is set to open again 2/1/11.
I had an Old Navy card which charged off in July with a balance of about $3600.
I have a private school loan of approximately $12000, which I make monthly interest payments on, and other school loans which are not in repayment, total being approximately $6000.
I also had cards with Express, Macy's, and Walmart, all closed, which I have paid off in recent months, but have not seen my credit score go up at all.
I had a card with Victoria's Secret as well, which I was never late or over the limit on, but due to inactivty, my account was closed, and now due to poor credit they won't reopen it.
I do have other bills such as phone, rent and tuition, but can generally afford to pay between $700-$1100 a month towards my credit cards.
I haven't charged anything in 2010, and my last credit card was opened in December 2009. Is there anything I can do besides wait for negative factors to fall off (about 6.5 more years)? Is there any reason why paying off my closed accounts isn't helping? Actually, does it make a difference whether I pay down my open or closed accounts? I plan to have these last 4 credit accounts(not include the charged-off Old Navy card) paid off by next summer, but it's so disappointing to not see any change. If anyone can shed any light, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!
FICO scoring is not about payment of debt. It is about accumulating delinquences and derogs along the path of its payment. That is what FICO scores.
What I suggest, before you devlelop a plan, is to first sit down and list each and every derog or delinqueccy in your CR, whether the account is open, closed, paid, or unpaid.
For each OC acount, each reported monthly delinquency, by date, and whether the debt was charged-off or later reported as a collection by a debt collector.
Payment does not erase any of those prior reportings without a deletion acceptance agreement with the OC or CA, or their willingness to, after paid, grant a good-will deltetion.
As for which accoounts, open or closed, to first concentrate of payment of unpaid debt, that is more dependent upon the future liabilites, both legal and credit scoring, that you still face. For example, unpaid debt on an OC account where prior reporting was only of monthly delinquencies could result, at any time, of the OC taking one or more of three actions. They can charge-off the debt, and report a CO to your CR, they can refer the debt for collection, or thay can just intitiate legal action. So you might want to know your SOL on the debt.
ONce a CA is reported, the same threat of legal action may linger. So again, know your SOL date.
Paying debt rmoves the chance of escalating actions, and does not erase prior credit reporting.
@RobertEG wrote:FICO scoring is not about payment of debt. It is about accumulating delinquences and derogs along the path of its payment. That is what FICO scores.
What I suggest, before you devlelop a plan, is to first sit down and list each and every derog or delinqueccy in your CR, whether the account is open, closed, paid, or unpaid.
For each OC acount, each reported monthly delinquency, by date, and whether the debt was charged-off or later reported as a collection by a debt collector.
Payment does not erase any of those prior reportings without a deletion acceptance agreement with the OC or CA, or their willingness to, after paid, grant a good-will deltetion.
As for which accoounts, open or closed, to first concentrate of payment of unpaid debt, that is more dependent upon the future liabilites, both legal and credit scoring, that you still face. For example, unpaid debt on an OC account where prior reporting was only of monthly delinquencies could result, at any time, of the OC taking one or more of three actions. They can charge-off the debt, and report a CO to your CR, they can refer the debt for collection, or thay can just intitiate legal action. So you might want to know your SOL on the debt.
ONce a CA is reported, the same threat of legal action may linger. So again, know your SOL date.
Paying debt rmoves the chance of escalating actions, and does not erase prior credit reporting.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Robert.
Payment history (payment of debt) is the most important aspect of scoring. I will grant you that derogatories are included as part of the payment history but to say that FICO scoring is not about payment of debt is less than accurate IMO.
For the education of the OP here is how FICO scoring is broken down:
And here is what is included in payment history:
One last comment and I will hush. You wrote: It is about accumulating delinquences and derogs along the path of its payment. That is what FICO scores.
I have no derogatories (finally). Without those how then is my score calculated?
From a BK years ago to:
EX - 9/09 pulled by lender 802, EQ - 10/10-813, TU - 10/10-774
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem".
@Anonymous wrote:Hi there, I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I've been monitoring these boards for months now, while trying to repair my credit, but my efforts are having absolutely no effect on my score. My score a year ago was 629, with a high of 655 a few months before that. My low score is 469, with a current of 496 =(. I had some major set backs earlier this year and missed quite a few payments, so I know thats a huge factor on my low score that only time can erase. My last late account was brought current in September.
My current accounts are as follows:
BoA // $1800 // $1646 // 11.99%Discover // $1750 // $1224 // 9.99%
Chase // $1400 // $1545 // 27.99%
CapOne // $1500 // $1166 // 18.05%
Chase and Capital One are closed by issuer. Discover has never reported my account as closed, however I voluntarily closed it for a year to get a better rate, and it is set to open again 2/1/11.
I had an Old Navy card which charged off in July with a balance of about $3600.
I have a private school loan of approximately $12000, which I make monthly interest payments on, and other school loans which are not in repayment, total being approximately $6000.
I also had cards with Express, Macy's, and Walmart, all closed, which I have paid off in recent months, but have not seen my credit score go up at all.
I had a card with Victoria's Secret as well, which I was never late or over the limit on, but due to inactivty, my account was closed, and now due to poor credit they won't reopen it.
I do have other bills such as phone, rent and tuition, but can generally afford to pay between $700-$1100 a month towards my credit cards.
I haven't charged anything in 2010, and my last credit card was opened in December 2009. Is there anything I can do besides wait for negative factors to fall off (about 6.5 more years)? Is there any reason why paying off my closed accounts isn't helping? Actually, does it make a difference whether I pay down my open or closed accounts? I plan to have these last 4 credit accounts(not include the charged-off Old Navy card) paid off by next summer, but it's so disappointing to not see any change. If anyone can shed any light, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you!
Hello and welcome to myFICO.
One thing that jumps out at me is your credit card uitilzation. If i figured it correctly the overall utilization is right at 82%. That is if you meant to say that the balance on your Chase card is $1,400 and the credit limit is $1,545. Are those numbers correct?
82% is extremely high and is definitely bringing down your score. It is generally recommended (and admittedly hard to do sometimes) that your overall and individual card utilization be <9%. Reducing your utilization is the fastest way to raise your score.
I will let others chime in with other advice but I will say that no situation is hopeless and probably most if not everyone here has been in that dark place with seemingly no way out. But you can climb out with hard work. I'm living proof of that. I'm glad you found myFICO. It's an endless source of information, inspiration, advice, and suggestions.
Take your time, take it all in and work on repair and rebuilding one step at a time. Good luck to you and please stick around and be a part of these forums.
From a BK years ago to:
EX - 9/09 pulled by lender 802, EQ - 10/10-813, TU - 10/10-774
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem".
Yeah, Marinevet, good point, and I think we agree in substance. I think it is just a matter of semantics in my wording.
Timely payment of debt is a key factor in FICO.
When I said payment of debt is not a FICO scoring factor, I meant only the actual act of finallly fulfilling payment.
History of non-payment of debt when due is what leads to a payment history that FICO records and scores, by time and date. YOu are correct.
My point was only that ultimate payment after delinquiencies or derogs does not erase any prior reporting of derogs, without a PFD or GW agreement.