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@happypill wrote:I think you have to take any information you get (from this site or elsewhere) and apply your own critical thought to it rather than just buying whatever people are saying. That said, I do think MyFICO is good because generally people do not have an agenda of pushing any products on you (well, maybe your FICO scores). There are other sites where they clearly have an ulterior motive of getting you to sign up or apply for something.
Here are some basic ways to filter any data you receive (from here or elsewhere):
1. Get the facts & arguments; ignore the opinions. Draw your own conclusions based on the facts. One of the very best things about this site is that people are actually willing to share facts about their credit experiences. Of course, you have know idea if each individual is being honest with their facts, so you need to apply your own thinking - which leads to the next point.
2. Does the person posting/sharing information have anything to gain? At some sites, clearly they gain from clicks, referrals and apps that they generate. They have an incentive to tell you whatever it takes to get you to click or apply. Here, when someone shares their approval experience or something like that, I don't think they have much incentive to lie (unless they are a pathalogical liar or something); but judge for yourself.
3. Determine the overall atmosphere of the environment. Here, I would say people are open about sharing experiences and giving advice. A lot of people share a common experience (rebuilding after credit troubles among them), and they are supportive. Again, judge each person's stories for yourself, but there's no real incentive to mislead people around here, but sometimes there may be a mob mentality or someone who wants to be big guy on the block.
So, as with any site or piece of news, apply some critical thinking to determine what you can believe.
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Excellent advice about advice (metaadvice? ). It does come down each individual evaluating the source, quality, and motives of the information they are given. Learning to distinguish quality advice from misinformation (whether through intentional bias or simple error) is IMO one of the most important skills anyone can develop and has broad application in most areas of life. It's how people know not to jump on the next fad diet, waste all their money on a pyramid scheme, or try to reverse the signs of aging by drinking baby oil.
@Anonymous wrote:Awesome answers...but no one has answered my question...what is the MyFico rabbit hole? O.o
In this context the rabbit hole would be blindly pursuing credit cards and CLIs that the person doesn't need.
@kdm31091 wrote:
I think this site often leads to a bit of a mob effect where one persons approvals become a reason for a lot of others to apply for card after card. Ultimately, personal responsibility is of course what matters. But one has to be careful not to be overly tempted by others successes. Credit building wise, you only need so many cards (not many!). Choosing to have more should be just that, a choice, but never an addiction or impulse.
I agree wholeheartedly. When I joined this site I too got caught up in that mentality and made a lot of mistakes for which I don't blame anyone and take full responsibility for my actions; no one forced me to click the button or make the phone call for that matter. One that comes to mind is that I remember that you couldn't read a Sync backed approval and not have 5-10 post immediatley following; encouranging the OP to call credit solution, shoot for the stars, ask for $25k, etc. No questions asked as to the use or need of the card, just call and ask for a lot is what was posted. I made a couple of those foolish calls and ended up with silly limits on useless cards. It's nice to see that rhetoric has calmed down a bit...don't know if it's because folks are afraid that Sync may now drop the hammer or because we as forum members are asking more follow up questions rather than pushing a silly notion that someone needs $10k on a BP store only card. Regardless of the reason it's nice to see the change and I hope the trend continues...
@Revelate wrote:I would object to the commentary that the majority of the users are suggesting people apply for everything under the sun as rank hyperbole.
Sure some bad information gets posted, but quite often it gets corrected. I'm not one to throw out something that's 95% good trying to get it to 99 or 100% if it means a radical change to the community. In other places in life that might be appropriate but not here.
+1 and excellent post overall, Revelate. Very well said.
@Anonymous wrote:
Chasing cards and CLI is going down the rabbit hole. This forum or any ther forum isn't that much different. People here have provided me with valuable answers and solutions and then have had people comment to get their next level marker. People need to realize that it's all and will always be YMMV. I do see people here jumping on various trends and pushing it into the ground until the next one pops up...NFCU, CSR, NASA, CSP, Blisplay and so many others. It is still up to the individual to realize and know what their end goal is.
I know for myself I came from sub 500 scores to pushing high 600s and low 700s in a year and a half thanks to sound advice from members. But have also witnessed plenty of bad advice and have personally questioned some people's actually CLI or lines up they've acquired. Again it's all taken with a grain of salt. But that doesn't mean I need to jump on the next MyFICO train and then get mad because I hurt my scores or opened an account that I truly have no use for.
The worst advice I got wasn't from this site at all, it was from Credit Karma, which indicated in no uncertain terms to me, at a time that I had 2 credit cards, that having 5 cards would be better, having 10 cards would be even better, and that having 15 cards would get me to "excellent".
Now I'm sure that Credit Karma's professionals know what they're doing, and perhaps their advice was based on the Vantage model rather than the FICO models, but following that advice kept me in hot water, in terms of inquiries, new accounts, average age of accounts, age of newest account, for quite a while.
Based on their advice I was constantly looking for recommendations here of new cards to try for.
If I knew then, what I know now, I would not have applied for so many cards, but would have let my portfolio grow much more slowly.
It was here on MyFICO that I learned that more is not necessarily better.
Mepersonally I think it comes down to plain common sense about ones actions.
Yes, We are better.
My fico score went from 534 to 739.
This website has helped me repair and build my credit.
Good rewards on the money I spend.
I have seen no favoritism.
You ask for advice you get it.
You ask for opinions you get them.
You also have to use a little common sense.
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
@jeffery581 wrote:
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge....
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Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge...
WOW, what an attack!! Your examples of advise i might have given are totally irrational and a bad assumption. I am referring to things like low utilization, low if any inquires, types of credit ect. ect.. It is not that complicated. But you just insulted and attacked me. You assumed way to much. The key word in my post was bet. WOW.
I might ad to my original post. People like to attack other people on here, that's the only thing that is not couth.
@Anonymous wrote:
@jeffery581 wrote:
Before I joined this website I did not know anything about credit. Now, I bet I could give accurate and correct advise on just about anything credit related. (toot toot)
Really? Well, maybe! One of the "flaws" I have seen on this site (much more than say FT) is overly-confident advice, that is often distilled from posts that have repeated over the years, which may no longer be true, if they ever were. These are things like "Bank X likes/hates thing Y [carrying a balance, doing BT, getting other cards etc]"
That, and not so much YMMV as much as Your Need May Vary: while I want to get $25M in total CL, that might not be your goal, so me telling you to go for all the CLIs you can get might not be the right advice.
But maybe jeffery581 does have all the knowledge....
Exactly! The zeal to teach and help is so strong that many here don't stop to ask themselves:
1. Am I sure that what I'm presenting as fact is really true?
2. Am I sure that, in giving advice, I understand the advisee's situation and priorities?
Sometimes people like to go for FOTM cards, and sometimes we assume that people with similar cards have similar needs and finances.
I'm not worried about someone here trying to sell me something; I'm worried that they are speaking well beyond their expertise and that no one will correct them in a timely manner.
My comment about the "anonymous" source's excellent credit was relevant to establish that AJC was wrong in speculating that the source has bad credit, blames others, and is unhappy after following advice on this website.
I wasn't saying that credit-smart people always have high FICO scores, or that all people with high FICO scores know a lot about credit. Rebuilders can learn a lot, and people who just pay their bills on time can have excellent scores without any advanced knowledge.