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305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

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4sallypat
Valued Contributor

305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

Apped for a pre-approved NFCU More Rewards VISA and got $20K SL.

 

Got a NFCU letter in the mail that bugged out my eyes when I saw the credit score was 305.

 

Then I noticed it was a NFCU score.  Thought they were denying me credit based on the 305 score.

 

Next day got the card in the mail and it was $20K - whew!

 

Why does NFCU do that ?

Do other CU have their own internal scoring ?

 

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JoeRockhead
Senior Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

There are many lenders, not just Credit Unions, that have their own internal "scoring systems" "black lists" etc... For Navy, they likely consider the following categories (in no particular order) to populate a member's score but no-one that I know of has ever been able to figure out what their formula is.

  

  • Products: checking, savings, certificate of deposit, credit card, direct deposit, SSLs and other loans
  • Usage of above products. 
  • Length of membership.
  • Payment history, and payment tendencies such as PIF, carry a balance, pay minimums, pay above minimums 2x, 3x,  etc...
  • FICO scores. 
  • DTI. 

Congratulations on a very nice SL, and approval!

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

Call and ask them, they should tell you. Then let us know.

 

I would guess it is an internal score that may incorporate a Fico score as one of its elements. What are your Fico 8/9 scores?

 

You may get a letter with your card stating factors adversely affecting your score. If you do, please share the list of factors.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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MissLiz
Established Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

As a fairly new NFCU member, I don't know much about their internal score, nor do I even know what mine is, but congratulations on your awesome approval!

“A woman’s best protection is a little money of her own.” – Clare Boothe Luce
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keekers
Valued Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

Congrats. As others have said, institutional internal scoring is a common practice.  I'd be curious to know your FICO data points to compare.



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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

Congratulations on your approval. I don't have a clue as to their internal scoring, except for one thing: I now know that 305 is a good score Smiley Happy


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




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GZG
Senior Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?


@4sallypat wrote:

Apped for a pre-approved NFCU More Rewards VISA and got $20K SL.

Got a NFCU letter in the mail that bugged out my eyes when I saw the credit score was 305.

Then I noticed it was a NFCU score.  Thought they were denying me credit based on the 305 score.

Next day got the card in the mail and it was $20K - whew!

Why does NFCU do that ?

Do other CU have their own internal scoring ?

 


305 is a fairly good score anything higher than 350 is pretty much unicorn territory anyway

 

300-350 is basically navy telling you that you can have whatever you want

 

without seeing your reason codes, I wouldn't be able to say why your score is so high (or why it's not higher), but it's a combination of TU FICO 9 + Navy Relationship 

 

are the top reason codes on that letter 'balance status' and 'no direct deposit' or are they more like reasons about why your credit report isn't perfect? 'too many new accounts' 'too many recent inquires' 'time since last account too short' 

 

For reference, when I was approved for a cash rewards in Feb 2023, my score was 279, I got like $1800 lol

Starting FICO 8:
Current FICO 8:



0/6, 0/12, 4/24 new accounts
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?

I did a search and read some older threads on this score. Many mention Fico 9 but some specify EQ Fico 9 as a component vs TU Fico 9.

 

One poster received a 397 score after joining. Other posters reported receiving letters with scores of: 375, 360, 335, 329 and 316. The 360 score poster reported a Fico score of 800 and the 375 poster reported a Fico score of 775. Interestingly, the 360 score was denied a card due to max credit limit reached with NFCU.

 

A poster with a 297 score included a list of 4 negative reason statements. Another poster with a 297 mentioned having TU F9 scores of 701 and 693.

 

It appears that a 300 score could be a threshold for 5 figure SL cards. A couple posters mention boosting their internal score by getting a promise loan. One poster boosted score to 405 after getting a loan but saw no benefit at nfcu vs when their score was in the low 300s.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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4sallypat
Valued Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Call and ask them, they should tell you. Then let us know.

 

I would guess it is an internal score that may incorporate a Fico score as one of its elements. What are your Fico 8/9 scores?

 

You may get a letter with your card stating factors adversely affecting your score. If you do, please share the list of factors.


My FICO scores are in the mid 700s.

 

The NFCU letter said that my account is new and that I don't have direct deposit which is the reason for their score.

 

At least they trust me enough to get $20K SL.

 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: 305 score and got $20K ? NFCU Scoring model how compare with FICO scores ?


@4sallypat wrote:

@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Call and ask them, they should tell you. Then let us know.

 

I would guess it is an internal score that may incorporate a Fico score as one of its elements. What are your Fico 8/9 scores?

 

You may get a letter with your card stating factors adversely affecting your score. If you do, please share the list of factors.


My FICO scores are in the mid 700s.

 

The NFCU letter said that my account is new and that I don't have direct deposit which is the reason for their score.

 

At least they trust me enough to get $20K SL.

 

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Wow that is very interesting.  Many readers have suggested that NFCU takes into account one's overall relationship, including deposit accounts, in making its credit decisions. I personally was a little skeptical because they were very welcoming to me even though I used NFCU almost exclusively for credit. But the message they gave you -- that the age of your account with them and the absence of direct deposit were factors in their credit decision -- is confirmation that the 'relationship' thing is really a thing.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




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