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Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

My average age sucks due to new accts but I am planning to become AU on a Cc of my father in law to fix that...
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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@Anonymous wrote:
The simulator shows I will lose points.. but thats because its aithout the pay off...I hope.

I have 733-755 right now. Oldest CC is 5 yrs old. 4 new ccs from recent app spree

The simulator is showing you an estimate of the immediate effect of 100% UTIL, shortening your AoAA and a HP, I believe. You'll be getting a SP and dropping your UTIL to <9% rather quickly. 

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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
The simulator shows I will lose points.. but thats because its aithout the pay off...I hope.

I have 733-755 right now. Oldest CC is 5 yrs old. 4 new ccs from recent app spree

The simulator is showing you an estimate of the immediate effect of 100% UTIL, shortening your AoAA and a HP, I believe. You'll be getting a SP and dropping your UTIL to <9% rather quickly. 


Quite right.  The simulator doesn't understand that there is no hard pull at Alliant (most loans involve a hard pull)..  The simulator doesn't understand that you will be paying it down from 100% to 8.9% (which is where you get most or all of the boost from.  Finally, even when the simulator does understand what you plan to do (regarding any proposed change to your credit profile), the simulator will still often be wrong.

 

Your age of oldest is solid, though that factor will get even better over time.  You have a good number of accounts, so you won't be perceived by FICO as a thin profile either.  You are good to go!

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Simulators are garbage.  They only look at maybe 10 pieces of scoring criteria where there are dozens of pieces of criteria to consider and an infinite number of them with respect to one another.  Asking on here will get you better results than asking a simulator.

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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

Right, thanks guys! For the record, these are my scores: screenshot.56.jpg

 

I got a BOA with 6500 limit (5 yrs old) (0 Balance) (Recent cLI from 1500)
CapOne QuickSilver 1500 limit (3yrs old) (low balance) (plan to do CLI in 4 months, blocked due to payment returned fluke)
BestBuy Citi at 4000 (4 yrs old) (0 balance) (Recent CLI from 500)
Amazon Synch 2500 limit  (3 yrs old) (Balance 1600) (Recent CLI from 1750)
New Chase Unlimited Freedom 7k limit
New Chase Sapphire 12K limit
New Citi Diamond Preffered 3.5K limit and then 7.5K after immediate CLI
New Capital One Venture 5K

I hope to be an AU on a CC of my father in law with a perfect payment history that is 25+ yrs old. 

So..to this I will probably add a secured loan of 2K to 10K, which I will pay off as described in this plan. My wife has some student loans (Navient, Wells Fargo, 8 yrs old), but I think it's impossible to add me to them. 

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How many accounts do you have on your credit reports outside of those 8 open accounts you listed and what are their ages?

 

If you were added as an AU to that 25+ year account (and it worked / showed up on your report) it would raise your AAoA from ~2 years to ~4 years, but that's only based on the account information you provided above.  Your AAoA could be higher or lower depending on the age of your closed accounts being factored in.

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Closed Credit One CC, opened July 2015
Closed Capital One CC, opened November 2014 (Combined it with other card)
Closed Bestbuy card, opened December 2012.. this was closed because they changed banks (from cap1 to citi)

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STEP 4: PAY IT DOWN.

To start with, you will want to make sure you locate where the new loan account is on your online banking portal.  Just log in to the Alliant portal with your username and password and you will by default be taken to the Account Summary page.  You will now see your Share Secure Loan as a new account, along with the Savings account that you are used to seeing.

You will see a DUE DATE and PAYMENT AMOUNT for that loan.  For example, the due date and payment amount might be May 9 and $9.19.  Write both of those down (whatever the date and amount are).  Hopefully you chose a date that is maybe 7-10 days from when the loan was approved.  Later is fine too. 

Next you want to locate the Autopay that was set up by the loan officer.  To do that, go to the TRANSFER MONEY tab at the top of the page.  Then look to the far right margin.  You will see several links.  Look for the one that says Scheduled Transfers.  Click on that.  You will be taken to a page that shows an automated transfer from the Savings account to the Loan account.  That's a way of automatically paying the amount due each month.  Do not try to delete it or change it.  You can't do that -- yet.  The test cases we have done so far seem to indicate that you need to pay it ahead a good bit AND also wait for the first transfer to go through before it will permit you to delete the transfer.

Next pay off a good chunk of the loan.  Personally, I would start with something really simple.  Like pay off $420 of the loan amount ($500).  Your eventual goal is to get it down to just under 8.99% (i.e. a loan balance of $44).  But more than one person has reported that it can take a few months to get the autopay turned off and then confirm that it is really turned off.  So if you start with $420 you should still have a good buffer if a few more autopayments go through.

The way to make a payment (whether big or small) is to go to the TRANSFER MONEY tab.  Just set up a one time transfer of $420 from your savings to the loan.  Simple. 

When you have executed that, go back to the Account Summary page.  You will see that the Current balance is very low -- around $80.  You will also see that the Due Date has been pushed out way WAY into the future.

The next steps are easy. 

(a)  Wait for the first autopay to go through.  If the autopay has changed so that the next "scheduled transfer" date has been pushed way ahead in time, ignore that.  It is likely that your autopay will still go through on the first date that you agreed to.  Wait until a couple business days AFTER that date.  Then look in your savings account.  You should see that the payment still went through.  Your loan balance is now smaller, maybe $71 or so.

(b)  Now go back to that recurring transfer that your loan officer set up.  If you try to delete the autopay before it has gone through once, most people report getting a big red error message.  So now that you have waited till after the first autopay, you can delete it.  Just click DELETE.  It will ask you if you are really sure.  Say yes. 

Your autopay should now really be deleted.  Note that some people have reported success at deleting the autopay a day before the first autopay was scheduled to go through (the big red error message seems to vanish the day before, roughly).  But that may require more work and careful timing than you care to invest.  That's why the guidance above gives a way that is guaranteed to work: wait till after the first autopay goes through, then delete. 

(c)  Make a final payment to bring your loan balance down to $44.  Your amount owed will then be < 9% of the original amount, which is what this technique is all about.

Finally, you'll need to figure out a plan for keeping your loan and your savings account "active" so that they do not receive a fee for standing inactive/dormant for a long time.  Here are some options: 

MANUAL.  Just remember to sign on to your Alliant account and manually initiate a transfer of $2 every six months from your savings account to your loan account.  If you are confident you'll remember, that's simple and easy. 

*  AUTOMATIC: Use billpay from a checking account to make a $2 payment to your loan every three months.  The checking account can be an Alliant checking or one from an external bank.  If it is an external bank, you should also set up a billpay to your Alliant savings account to keep it active as well.  Note that, because you have deleted your monthly autopay, Alliant seems unwilling to let you set up another autotransfer from savings to loan.  So if you want to go the automated route, you'll need to use a checking account.

Regardless of the approach you choose, sign in once a year to make sure things are going OK.  You may need to tweak your payments a tiny bit, especially toward the end.  It's very important for your payment plan to avoid paying off the loan way earlier than you intended, but also important not to make such small payments that you eventually fall behind Alliant's schedule for paying off the loan.

FINAL NOTE: Many savings accounts have a maximum number of six withdrawls that can be made monthly without incurring a penalty (federal law).  This has no practical impact for this technique, unless you decide in the first month or two that you want to experiment with several smaller payments.  Always keep the total number of payments to five or less each month.  Of course, the appeal of the approach is you only really have to make one big payment and then you are set for a very long time.


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1.- I read somewhere in this thread that some people were able to delete the recurring payment 1 day before the actual date. I just want to report that I was able to delete the recurring payment 3 days before the actual date.

 

2.- I was able to set future payments from the savings account to the loan account. You can only set future payments up to 1 year in the future. I set a small payment every 2 months for the next 12 months. 6 future payments.

 

3.- I believe the system will only allow you to restore the original payment schedule, i.e. start in early 2021 and pay it monthly. I tried to set recurring every 3 months and start in January 2017 with no end date. As soon I selected the loan account it changed to monthly and start date January 2021. Maybe because I just deleted it?, I'll try to set a recurring payment in a few months.

 

 

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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

Just a thought... Wouldn't a repayment schedule starting in Jan 2021 be ideal? That would automate EVERYTHING!

 

I wonder what would happen if it was turned back on. Would the first payment actually happen in 2021 or would it just resort to old behavior and bill monthly starting immediately even though the first due date is in 2021?

 

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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

My comments in blue.  Thanks!

 

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1.- I read somewhere in this thread that some people were able to delete the recurring payment 1 day before the actual date. I just want to report that I was able to delete the recurring payment 3 days before the actual date.

 

Not only did you read it somewhere in the thread, you read it explicitly in the text of the guidance that you quoted.  It reads:

 

"Note that some people have reported success at deleting the autopay a day before the first autopay was scheduled to go through...."

 

Some people have also been successful at doing as many as three days before.  Some were not. 

 

2.- I was able to set future payments from the savings account to the loan account. You can only set future payments up to 1 year in the future. I set a small payment every 2 months for the next 12 months. 6 future payments.

 

Yup.  The point of making the future payments, however, is as a method of keeping the account active for a full five years.  If Alliant stops your future payments after 12 months, then it is not achieving for you the very reason you are doing it.

 

3.- I believe the system will only allow you to restore the original payment schedule, i.e. start in early 2021 and pay it monthly. I tried to set recurring every 3 months and start in January 2017 with no end date. As soon I selected the loan account it changed to monthly and start date January 2021. Maybe because I just deleted it?, I'll try to set a recurring payment in a few months.

 

But surely the original payment schedule did not begin in early 2021.  It began the month after the loan was opened, right?  This is why it had to be cancelled soon after, or else you would have paid off the loan in five months.

 

Remember that the goal of any automated payment approach, given that we pay the loan down early, is to keep the loan open and avoid inactivity fees.  That's the sole reason to do it.  These periodic payments need to begin within the first 10 months of the pay down (otherwise a year will go by with no activity) and they need to continue all the way out to year 5 (otherwise a year will go by with no activity).

 

As per the guidance, you can do this manually or in an automated fashion.  The only automated approach I and others found was to push a payment into the loan account from a checking account that has a billpay feature (many/most checking accounts now have that).  For example, $2 quarterly.  If you have found a way to do this purely from the linked Alliant savings account, and to start the payment a few months after initial paydown, and to make sure that the payments run through the end of the loan, let me know.  The checking account approach is pretty painless -- I think everybody reading this thread has a checking account.

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