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BallBounces
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Bit of an academic question on payment allocation

 

This is a bit academic, as my file is SO dirty that it is not subject to the typical changes one might expect when crossing thresholds. 

That being said, if I can eek out a couple points, it may help on a Mortgage rate in the next 6 months.  And academically I wonder what some suggestions are.

 

If you only had 1300 to apply against any balance(s) below, how would YOU do it to maximize effect on mortgage specific scores.  There is an un-used 0 balance charge card not included below.

 

 

CareCredit	0	15000	0.00%
VISA 1	        0	4000	0.00%
MC 1	        0	4000	0.00%
MC 2	        0	9500	0.00%
Retail 1  	0	500	0.00%
MC 3	        0	5300	0.00%
Discover	0	4000	0.00%
MC 4	        0	1050	0.00%
Retail 2	2200	6000	36.67%
Amex 1	        900	6000	15.0%
MC 5	        800	5000	16.0%
VISA 2	        2150	7500	28.7%
VISA 3	        6000	9300	64.5%
VISA 4	        500	11000	4.5%
							
TOTAL	        12550	88150	14.24%

Again, my experience says there will be minimal effect, but I am curious what the wisdom is.

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FICO 08 scores listed and are stagnated until multiple derogatory items expire over the next two years.
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simplynoir
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation

Is this a one time use of $1300 or this how much you can throw at the balances monthly between now and six months down the line?

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BallBounces
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation


@simplynoir wrote:

Is this a one time use of $1300 or this how much you can throw at the balances monthly between now and six months down the line?


I suppose I should have been more clear on the academic question:

What would be the optimal potential allocation for one time payment(s) totaling 1300 against existing balances?

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FICO 08 scores listed and are stagnated until multiple derogatory items expire over the next two years.
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simplynoir
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation


@BallBounces wrote:

@simplynoir wrote:

Is this a one time use of $1300 or this how much you can throw at the balances monthly between now and six months down the line?


I suppose I should have been more clear on the academic question:

What would be the largest potential allocation for one time payment(s) totaling 1300 against existing balances?


To be fair it was probably clear on your post but I just wanted clarification to be sure

 

Hmm tbh probably the biggest score gain you can get with that $1300 is bringing the utilization of Visa 3 to below 48.9% so you can be under that theshold bracket for all your accounts. But even then the $1300 will barely not be enough to get it that low. The math works out to the utliization being 50.5% which is oh so close. With an extra $200 you can bring it down to 48.4 which should do the trick. With all that said it's tough to say what kind of scoring increase you'll get but there will be one. Utilization whether it's individual and/or agregate total is more than 48.9% drifts into the riskier side of lending for banks

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation


@BallBounces wrote:

 

This is a bit academic, as my file is SO dirty that it is not subject to the typical changes one might expect when crossing thresholds. 

That being said, if I can eek out a couple points, it may help on a Mortgage rate in the next 6 months.  And academically I wonder what some suggestions are.

 

If you only had 1300 to apply against any balance(s) below, how would YOU do it to maximize effect on mortgage specific scores.  There is an un-used 0 balance charge card not included below.

 

 

CareCredit	0	15000	0.00%
VISA 1	        0	4000	0.00%
MC 1	        0	4000	0.00%
MC 2	        0	9500	0.00%
Retail 1  	0	500	0.00%
MC 3	        0	5300	0.00%
Discover	0	4000	0.00%
MC 4	        0	1050	0.00%
Retail 2	2200	6000	36.67%
Amex 1	        900	6000	15.0%
MC 5	        800	5000	16.0%
VISA 2	        2150	7500	28.7%
VISA 3	        6000	9300	64.5%
VISA 4	        500	11000	4.5%
							
TOTAL	        12550	88150	14.24%

Again, my experience says there will be minimal effect, but I am curious what the wisdom is.


I would apply it to Visa 3. You want to focus on trying to wrestle that one down to 4500 or less. Once you're at 49% there  you'll pick up some points.

 

Then I would focus on getting that one and Retail 3 down to 28%; you'll pick up some more points when you do that too.


Total revolving limits 741200 (620700 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 703 TU 704 EX 687

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BallBounces
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation

So interestingly, I moments ago got a 2000 CLI on VISA 3 (I wish I would have known about this lender's CLI policy earlier) which changes the equations to this, because of some other minor allocation changes and the CLI:

 

CareCredit	0		15000	0.00%
VISA 1	        0		4000	0.00%
MC 1	        0		4000	0.00%
MC 2	        0		9500	0.00%
Retail 1  	0		500     0.00%
MC 3	        0		5300	0.00%
Discover	0		4000	0.00%
MC 4	        0		1050	0.00%
Retail 2	2200	        6000	36.67%
Amex 1	        1000            6000	16.7%
MC 5	        0	        5000	0%
VISA 2	        2900	        7500	38.7%
VISA 3	        6000	        11300	53.1%
VISA 4	        450	        11000	4.1%
							
TOTAL	        12550	        90150	13.92%

I think I will pay VISA 3 to under 49%, and see what happens.  Then pay Retail 2 to under 29% and see what happens.  Finally  paying VISA 2 to under 29% and see what happens.  All of those together will NOT put total utilization under 10%, so that could be the fourth test.


(I know you guys will disagree, but I bet I will see 0-1 point movement for each of the three tests.   It is amazing what 20+ old lates and three Paid CO will do to an otherwise stout credit report.  Being at the ceiling of this bucket, points don't come where you otherwise would see them.)

EDIT TO ADD:  The real question is whether mprtgage scores will see a larger change than FICO 08s.  I doubt that too.

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021924:     


FICO 08 scores listed and are stagnated until multiple derogatory items expire over the next two years.
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SouthJamaica
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation


@BallBounces wrote:

So interestingly, I moments ago got a 2000 CLI on VISA 3 (I wish I would have known about this lender's CLI policy earlier) which changes the equations to this, because of some other minor allocation changes and the CLI:

 

CareCredit	0		15000	0.00%
VISA 1	        0		4000	0.00%
MC 1	        0		4000	0.00%
MC 2	        0		9500	0.00%
Retail 1  	0		500     0.00%
MC 3	        0		5300	0.00%
Discover	0		4000	0.00%
MC 4	        0		1050	0.00%
Retail 2	2200	        6000	36.67%
Amex 1	        1000            6000	16.7%
MC 5	        0	        5000	0%
VISA 2	        2900	        7500	38.7%
VISA 3	        6000	        11300	53.1%
VISA 4	        450	        11000	4.1%
							
TOTAL	        12550	        90150	13.92%

I think I will pay VISA 3 to under 49%, and see what happens.  Then pay Retail 2 to under 29% and see what happens.  Finally  paying VISA 2 to under 29% and see what happens.  All of those together will NOT put total utilization under 10%, so that could be the fourth test.


(I know you guys will disagree, but I bet I will see 0-1 point movement for each of the three tests.   It is amazing what 20+ old lates and three Paid CO will do to an otherwise stout credit report.  Being at the ceiling of this bucket, points don't come where you otherwise would see them.)

EDIT TO ADD:  The real question is whether mprtgage scores will see a larger change than FICO 08s.  I doubt that too.


I predict you will see larger gains than that, and that your mortgage scores will share in the glory.


Total revolving limits 741200 (620700 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 703 TU 704 EX 687

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BallBounces
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Re: Bit of an academic question on payment allocation


@SouthJamaica wrote:

I predict you will see larger gains than that, and that your mortgage scores will share in the glory.

Not so far.  In fact per my other thread, quite the opposite with a 20 point drop not seen in years!  FWIW, that AU card listed in the other thread is not one of the cards above ... because it was 0 balanced in January and long disregarded by me.... but thats another topic.

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FICO 08 scores listed and are stagnated until multiple derogatory items expire over the next two years.
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