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How many points for a drop off?

Have a $500 collection dropping off that is 4 months old. What kind of points gained would I be looking at?
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Anonymous
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Re: How many points for a drop off?

It really depends. A 7yr drop off will make you profile stronger overall. But in my experience 15-20 pts.  Old baddies don't way a ton. 

But if it's the only one You have it may jump a little higher. Good luck. 

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Revelate
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Re: How many points for a drop off?


@Anonymous wrote:

It really depends. A 7yr drop off will make you profile stronger overall. But in my experience 15-20 pts.  Old baddies don't way a ton. 

But if it's the only one You have it may jump a little higher. Good luck. 


Tell that to those of us who have old BK's or tax liens on our report Smiley Happy.

 

More recent has more weight especially on something like FICO 8 (where the period of time is ~6 months seemingly) but having any sort of PR on one's record regardless of age sorts you into a dirty bucket, and that will severely depress one's score... the max is 755ish (FICO 8) from all the anecdotal reports we've seen on this forum with an incredibly well optimized file and a tax lien falling off in a few months.  The max I ever got to was 740 on a FICO 8 with a 5 year old tax lien at that point, and when it comes off I would've been over 800 if I didn't have my <1 year old mortgage depressing my installment utilization badly.  As is I will still probably gain on the order of 60 points just when the tax lien comes off late next year.

 

Anyway AppleInc, if that was your last negative will be a good boost, if it was just one of several 0-5 points would be my estimate but maybe somewhat higher given how new it is.




        
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Anonymous
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Re: How many points for a drop off?


@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

It really depends. A 7yr drop off will make you profile stronger overall. But in my experience 15-20 pts.  Old baddies don't way a ton. 

But if it's the only one You have it may jump a little higher. Good luck. 


Tell that to those of us who have old BK's or tax liens on our report Smiley Happy.

 

More recent has more weight especially on something like FICO 8 (where the period of time is ~6 months seemingly) but having any sort of PR on one's record regardless of age sorts you into a dirty bucket, and that will severely depress one's score... the max is 755ish (FICO 8) from all the anecdotal reports we've seen on this forum with an incredibly well optimized file and a tax lien falling off in a few months.  The max I ever got to was 740 on a FICO 8 with a 5 year old tax lien at that point, and when it comes off I would've been over 800 if I didn't have my <1 year old mortgage depressing my installment utilization badly.  As is I will still probably gain on the order of 60 points just when the tax lien comes off late next year.

 

Anyway AppleInc, if that was your last negative will be a good boost, if it was just one of several 0-5 points would be my estimate but maybe somewhat higher given how new it is.


Here, here! My tax lien was worth 55 points.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: How many points for a drop off?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

It really depends. A 7yr drop off will make you profile stronger overall. But in my experience 15-20 pts.  Old baddies don't way a ton. 

But if it's the only one You have it may jump a little higher. Good luck. 


Tell that to those of us who have old BK's or tax liens on our report Smiley Happy.

 

More recent has more weight especially on something like FICO 8 (where the period of time is ~6 months seemingly) but having any sort of PR on one's record regardless of age sorts you into a dirty bucket, and that will severely depress one's score... the max is 755ish (FICO 8) from all the anecdotal reports we've seen on this forum with an incredibly well optimized file and a tax lien falling off in a few months.  The max I ever got to was 740 on a FICO 8 with a 5 year old tax lien at that point, and when it comes off I would've been over 800 if I didn't have my <1 year old mortgage depressing my installment utilization badly.  As is I will still probably gain on the order of 60 points just when the tax lien comes off late next year.

 

Anyway AppleInc, if that was your last negative will be a good boost, if it was just one of several 0-5 points would be my estimate but maybe somewhat higher given how new it is.


Here, here! My tax lien was worth 55 points.


Well Inverse tax lien removal was worth 80 to 85 points. Smiley Tongue

 

I wouldn't compare aged collections to tax liens - not in the same league.

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Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
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Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
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Revelate
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Re: How many points for a drop off?


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

It really depends. A 7yr drop off will make you profile stronger overall. But in my experience 15-20 pts.  Old baddies don't way a ton. 

But if it's the only one You have it may jump a little higher. Good luck. 


Tell that to those of us who have old BK's or tax liens on our report Smiley Happy.

 

More recent has more weight especially on something like FICO 8 (where the period of time is ~6 months seemingly) but having any sort of PR on one's record regardless of age sorts you into a dirty bucket, and that will severely depress one's score... the max is 755ish (FICO 8) from all the anecdotal reports we've seen on this forum with an incredibly well optimized file and a tax lien falling off in a few months.  The max I ever got to was 740 on a FICO 8 with a 5 year old tax lien at that point, and when it comes off I would've been over 800 if I didn't have my <1 year old mortgage depressing my installment utilization badly.  As is I will still probably gain on the order of 60 points just when the tax lien comes off late next year.

 

Anyway AppleInc, if that was your last negative will be a good boost, if it was just one of several 0-5 points would be my estimate but maybe somewhat higher given how new it is.


Here, here! My tax lien was worth 55 points.


Well Inverse tax lien removal was worth 80 to 85 points. Smiley Tongue

 

I wouldn't compare aged collections to tax liens - not in the same league.


Perhaps not in either of our eyes, but I suspect they're close to identical frankly at least under FICO 04 / FICO 8 (if >$100).  Both seem to be lumped into the PR/collections single reason code by the bureaus.  Certainly the magnitude of the change score wise is similar for people who get clean from either their last collection or tax lien anecdotally.  Bucket >> derogatory type, pretty confident on that count.

 

Inverse had way more positive history than either Captool or me, so I'm not surprised on his greater boost.  He was the one who hit ~755 prior tax lien coming off on his optimized file when he and I were walking through his mortgage strategy.  I might do slightly better than Captool did as I think his AAOA at the time was around 2 years (please correct me if I'm mistaken Captool) whereas mine will be 4 when it comes off.  Better the file, the more impact any given negative has, but presumably neither Cap nor I will land in as high a bucket as Inverse.




        
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Anonymous
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Re: How many points for a drop off?

Mine was at 3.9 years when it fell off.

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