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Inquiries Score Boost

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Inquiries Score Boost

I see it mentioned a lot about a score boost from not having any inquiries in 1 year, and that is is always best to wait to apply for credit until that time since you will get 10 to 15 points. I have passed that time now and have not seen any increase in my fico 8 scores, I did just get my fico 9 from wells fargo and it went up 9 last month and 13 this month. Why is my fico 8 not getting a similar score increase as well?

 

Random question that I don't feel like deserves a thread. 4 of my collection accounts are with 1 agency, and they were updating monthly every month. In April they updated 4 times and have not updated since, why would they do that?

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All of the different scoring methodologies vary quite a bit and it is almost impossible to figure out why one went up and another didn't. As to why you didn't get a score jump after no inquiries for a year, you probably have other factors on your report that are keeping your score down. 

 

May I ask why you are so worried about your credit score at the moment? Are you waiting to apply for a card, loan or mortgage? You only really need to worry about your credit score when you are actively looking for new credit. If you can wait, time is your best friend when it comes to increasing your score.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

 

May I ask why you are so worried about your credit score at the moment? Are you waiting to apply for a card, loan or mortgage? You only really need to worry about your credit score when you are actively looking for new credit.


That's not necessarily true.  Your current lenders as well as potential lenders can be soft pulling your credit at any time for account maintenance and/or simply information.  That being said, it's a good idea to "worry" about your credit to some degree even if you aren't planning on apping, as things such as high utilization or negative information could lead to potential AA.

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@Anonymous wrote:

All of the different scoring methodologies vary quite a bit and it is almost impossible to figure out why one went up and another didn't. As to why you didn't get a score jump after no inquiries for a year, you probably have other factors on your report that are keeping your score down. 

 

May I ask why you are so worried about your credit score at the moment? Are you waiting to apply for a card, loan or mortgage? You only really need to worry about your credit score when you are actively looking for new credit. If you can wait, time is your best friend when it comes to increasing your score.


I am going to be getting a mortgage in the future (around 2 to 3 years) but I will not be applying for anything for at least a year. I will more then likely get something in a year, like a loan or credit card, but nothing right around the corner. As for why I am so worried about it, I don't feel like I am worried about it, I started trying to fix my credit 22 months ago, and my score has gone up 360+ points. I won't be completely content with my score until it is 850 in several years, but I was also someone who wouldn't accept less then a 4.0 in school, I simply want to be the best that I can. My score right now is not the best it can be, it is WAY better then what it was 22 months ago but not good enough for me.

 

Back to my original question, it is simply confusing to me why I saw no increase, because I see it mentioned so much on this forum as if it is something that will always happen. To not even get 3 to 5 points confuses me, other people are getting 10 to 15 point increases and I don't get anything..? but I guess I was looking forward to some sort of increase that wasn't guaranteed for everyone, which I thought it was.

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@Anonymous wrote:

Back to my original question, it is simply confusing to me why I saw no increase, because I see it mentioned so much on this forum as if it is something that will always happen. To not even get 3 to 5 points confuses me, other people are getting 10 to 15 point increases and I don't get anything..? but I guess I was looking forward to some sort of increase that wasn't guaranteed for everyone, which I thought it was.


In your original post you didn't mention what your before/after scoreable inquiries (within the last 365 days) were.  You could have moved from 1 --> 0, or perhaps (say) 25 --> 0, or anything in between.  Your answer to that question would shed a lot more light on the potential score increase that perhaps should have been realized.  It also depends on inquiry type.  Using the 25 --> 0 example above, if 24 of them were coded around the same time for an auto loan and 1 was coded from a CC, from a scoring perspective you moved from 2 --> 0.  Just something to consider.  Inquiries are believed to be bucketed and for all we know profile dependent as well, so a move from say 1 --> 0 or 2 --> 0 could possibly result in no score gains.

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Back to my original question, it is simply confusing to me why I saw no increase, because I see it mentioned so much on this forum as if it is something that will always happen. To not even get 3 to 5 points confuses me, other people are getting 10 to 15 point increases and I don't get anything..? but I guess I was looking forward to some sort of increase that wasn't guaranteed for everyone, which I thought it was.


In your original post you didn't mention what your before/after scoreable inquiries (within the last 365 days) were.  You could have moved from 1 --> 0, or perhaps (say) 25 --> 0, or anything in between.  Your answer to that question would shed a lot more light on the potential score increase that perhaps should have been realized.  It also depends on inquiry type.  Using the 25 --> 0 example above, if 24 of them were coded around the same time for an auto loan and 1 was coded from a CC, from a scoring perspective you moved from 2 --> 0.  Just something to consider.  Inquiries are believed to be bucketed and for all we know profile dependent as well, so a move from say 1 --> 0 or 2 --> 0 could possibly result in no score gains.


Ok, so in total I have 4 inquiries, 2 on EQ and EX and 3 on TU. 1 of those will be removed in October of this year from all 3 (capital one) but the other 3 were the ones still scoreable. So I went from 3 to 0. The inquiries are all for credit cards as well.

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Ok, so in total I have 4 inquiries, 2 on EQ and EX and 3 on TU. 1 of those will be removed in October of this year from all 3 (capital one) but the other 3 were the ones still scoreable. So I went from 3 to 0. The inquiries are all for credit cards as well.


So, on TU it sounds like you went from 3 scoreable inquiries to 0, where on EX/EQ you went from 2 scoreable inquiries to 0.  I would think on most profiles one would expect maybe a 3-5 point gain on EX/EQ where if TU crossed 2 buckets perhaps 6-10 points there.  Of course all of these things can be profile-specific, so you never really know.

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dynamicvb
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@Anonymous wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

Back to my original question, it is simply confusing to me why I saw no increase, because I see it mentioned so much on this forum as if it is something that will always happen. To not even get 3 to 5 points confuses me, other people are getting 10 to 15 point increases and I don't get anything..? but I guess I was looking forward to some sort of increase that wasn't guaranteed for everyone, which I thought it was.


In your original post you didn't mention what your before/after scoreable inquiries (within the last 365 days) were.  You could have moved from 1 --> 0, or perhaps (say) 25 --> 0, or anything in between.  Your answer to that question would shed a lot more light on the potential score increase that perhaps should have been realized.  It also depends on inquiry type.  Using the 25 --> 0 example above, if 24 of them were coded around the same time for an auto loan and 1 was coded from a CC, from a scoring perspective you moved from 2 --> 0.  Just something to consider.  Inquiries are believed to be bucketed and for all we know profile dependent as well, so a move from say 1 --> 0 or 2 --> 0 could possibly result in no score gains.


Ok, so in total I have 4 inquiries, 2 on EQ and EX and 3 on TU. 1 of those will be removed in October of this year from all 3 (capital one) but the other 3 were the ones still scoreable. So I went from 3 to 0. The inquiries are all for credit cards as well.


Actually, these are not counted in aggregate but by each CRA, so if one fell on all three you went down one. On EX and EQ and went to 0 on TU. I have never really understood these and the points lost or gained. I've applied for several new accounts over the last year and I have between 7 and 2 scorable inquires on my various CRA reports. I have never seen any points lost from taking another inquiry and I have not seen any points gained from one reaching a year.

 

I say this with some reservation as I could have had points gained or lost I just could not isolate because utilization and number of revolvers reporting are also changing at the same time.  I don't sweat the few points I might get from AZEO so my cards just report whatever balance may be on them from use before I pay them.

 

I do have a fairly thick file with some age on my oldest of 13 years and average of 7.5. I don't know for sure, but I think that the age of your file influences whether you take hits from a few inquiries.

 

From what I've seen around these forums most that seem to complain about points from inquiries or new accounts are down to under 3 years on their average. I have a sneaking suspicion this is an influencing factor, but like I said I'm far from an expert and most of this is taken from just looking at my file, my wife's file and my son's( who has a lot less history). I could be totally off base as this is just a hypothesis of mine.

Started Rebuild 4/2018: EX 616| TU 604| EQ 621

Current 5/28/20:


First Goal Score: 750+ Reached 3/2019

Next Goal all over 800
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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:


Ok, so in total I have 4 inquiries, 2 on EQ and EX and 3 on TU. 1 of those will be removed in October of this year from all 3 (capital one) but the other 3 were the ones still scoreable. So I went from 3 to 0. The inquiries are all for credit cards as well.


So, on TU it sounds like you went from 3 scoreable inquiries to 0, where on EX/EQ you went from 2 scoreable inquiries to 0.  I would think on most profiles one would expect maybe a 3-5 point gain on EX/EQ where if TU crossed 2 buckets perhaps 6-10 points there.  Of course all of these things can be profile-specific, so you never really know.


I was excited for the increase but it's not really a big deal. I got a very nice increase on fico 9, I still find it odd I didn't even get 1 to 2 points though.

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Anonymous
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Are you saying all three inquiries aged to 365 days on the same day? Did you lose one at each bureau?

Did you lose points for the inquiry is when you took them?
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