cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

tag
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

Thank you for all the comprehensive info! You're awesome!

Did you rule out any inquiries becoming unscoreable?
Message 11 of 17
Trudy
Valued Contributor

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score


@Anonymous wrote:
Thank you for all the comprehensive info! You're awesome!

Did you rule out any inquiries becoming unscoreable?

Good question, so I looked at my history .  My re-fi inquiry was done 6/12/18 although the new acct date is 8/2018.  I had another INQ on 8/8/18 for a card.  Also new acct date 8/2018.  My score was 799 6/29 - 7/30, did not change until 7/31. Both accts in July were 11m old.

INQ.PNG

FICO - 8: 05/05/23
Message 12 of 17
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

I would say mystery solved. Installment loan inquiries are buffered for 30 days, so you wouldn't have lost the points for 30 days. I assume the loss period is still a year, so, 7/12 you would get points back right?

I have not tested that, but otherwise it would only be an 11 month penalty, so makes sense!

No 25% threshold, just an inquiry becoming unscoreable. Smiley Wink
Message 13 of 17
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

Do you have access to records from last year at 7/12? To determine the point loss, which should be the same and further confirm.
Message 14 of 17
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

Wait a minute, I read too fast.. you said points came back 7/31. How do you know what day they came back? was it on EX? with Creditworks? Or did you pull 3Bs 7/30 and 7/31?
Message 15 of 17
Trudy
Valued Contributor

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score

Received 1pt 6/12/19 for which at the time I attributed to the 6/12/18 INQ aging bringing my score to 799 on 6/12/19.  Same score through 7/30/19.  Score increased 7/31/19 per EX daily subscription.  A look back at 6/10-6/15/18 (INQ not there 6/10/18 but showed up 6/15/18) when my report showed the refi- INQ there was no change.  Not sure why my archived reports don't show daily back then.  I cancelled my subscription sometime around 3/2018 and re-instated sometime in 6/2018.  Not sure if its the ever present buffer issue but at the time I still had a single 30 left to expire 12/2019, but was removed 10/21/19. So a look back it appears I received no penalty for the 6/12/18 INQ but not sure if it was masked by other changes.  I'll need to research further to see if other scoring change possibilities occurred during that time.

 

So the 7/31/19 increase is outside of the 30 days you mentioned since it sounds like you believe it should have occurred between 6/12/19 and 7/12/19 and my +4 pt didn't occur until 7/31/19.

 

I didn't start recording my EX score changes until 10/2018 although I had the subscription before that with the above gap but can see the restart 6/4/18.  Prior to that I had the quarterly myFICO reports starting 10/2018 but had single 3B pulls at full price 4/16/18, 5/8/18 and 6//8/18 before re-fi.  On 6/4/18 my score was 810 and remained until 7/27/18 when I lost 1 pt but not sure why because I didn't start analyzing changes on EX until 10/2018.

 

archives.PNG

FICO - 8: 05/05/23
Message 16 of 17
SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Is there some truth in the simulators about pay/use ratio to increase score


@Anonymous wrote:

Hi Everybody

 

I know people say the simulators can't really simulate anything because they can not factor different changes, but I was wondering if there is any truth on some of it, that you guys knew better.

 

I am specifically talking about when, in my case, score 669. (49% of my available credit (17k))

 pay off $2000     -->     simulated credit score  693

pay off $ 3000      -->                                              670

pay off $ 3000 + use $500 credit to buy -->       715

(paying those 3000 would still not get me below the almost ideal below 30% )

 

question 1

So... is there a rule ratio that you guys are aware of pay/use ratio so help better your score

how much you should pay + how much you should use

I understand, the best way to improve my score is keeping it below 30%, even better 10%, and have some utilization to be payed every month, and maybe that is what the simulator refers to.

 

question 2

By every month, does this mean, after the statement has been issued? That would create interests, right? But I guess they need the expenses to go trough the statement cycle so it counts for the credit score.

 

thanks!


I'm not aware of any such thing as a "pay/use ratio".

 

If you want to optimize your score, let one account report a small balance and pay it off, while the other cards report a zero balance.

 

No reason to pay interest on any of them.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




Message 17 of 17
Advertiser Disclosure: The offers that appear on this site are from third party advertisers from whom FICO receives compensation.