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NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method

Hello,

 

My wife and I are 15 months into a 5 year ch. 13 plan. We are trying to get our scores up to 660 and above for FHA. Our lender has all in house financing and underwritters.

 

On October 23rd, MORTGAGE SCORES: I was 645 (EQ) 670 (EX) 634 (TU). My wife was 649 (EQ) 645 (EX) and 592 (TU).

Our mid scores need to be at 660 for a fha loan for both of us, no exceptions. 

I have 2 cc. Credit One (700 CL) and Surge (750 CL). My wife is AU on the credit one and she has 2 open sky secured cards with 200 CL each.

 

In October we got penalized, which reflected in our scores above. My Credit One reported $0. The Surge reported 143 (19% utilization). My wife's open skys both reported $0. My wife got the all zero penalty, since my Credit One also reported 0 on her AU.

 

For this month, November, The credit one reported Nov 3rd with $7 (1%). Today my wife got a notification on myFico that her FICO 8 experian went up 14 points to 661!! We figured Equifax would update tomorrow. Not worried about TU, since the score is so low anyway. When equifax updates, we will order new report to check MORTGAGE scores. It is exactly the same scores our lender gets.

 

Her open skys report to bureaus on the 16th. Should we do AZEO with her two open skys since now the AU is reporting $7? OR should we keep her open skys at 0 for reporting on the 16th this upcoming Monday?

 

My Surge reports the 13th, and I have it set to report $0 to give me the AZEO with credit one at $7, So I am hoping I will get my Equifax mortgage score boosted 15 points 660.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thank you very much!

 

 

 

 

 

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AllZero
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Re: NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method

For EX2 you want true AZEO, AU cards report zero. I presume it may be the same for TU4 and EQ5 if it follows the older scoring algorithm.
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AllZero
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@Anonymous wrote:

Hello,

 

My wife and I are 15 months into a 5 year ch. 13 plan. We are trying to get our scores up to 660 and above for FHA. Our lender has all in house financing and underwritters.

 

On October 23rd, MORTGAGE SCORES: I was 645 (EQ) 670 (EX) 634 (TU). My wife was 649 (EQ) 645 (EX) and 592 (TU).

Our mid scores need to be at 660 for a fha loan for both of us, no exceptions. 

I have 2 cc. Credit One (700 CL) and Surge (750 CL). My wife is AU on the credit one and she has 2 open sky secured cards with 200 CL each.

 

In October we got penalized, which reflected in our scores above. My Credit One reported $0. The Surge reported 143 (19% utilization). My wife's open skys both reported $0. My wife got the all zero penalty, since my Credit One also reported 0 on her AU.

 

For this month, November, The credit one reported Nov 3rd with $7 (1%). Today my wife got a notification on myFico that her FICO 8 experian went up 14 points to 661!! We figured Equifax would update tomorrow. Not worried about TU, since the score is so low anyway. When equifax updates, we will order new report to check MORTGAGE scores. It is exactly the same scores our lender gets.

 

Her open skys report to bureaus on the 16th. Should we do AZEO with her two open skys since now the AU is reporting $7? OR should we keep her open skys at 0 for reporting on the 16th this upcoming Monday?

 

My Surge reports the 13th, and I have it set to report $0 to give me the AZEO with credit one at $7, So I am hoping I will get my Equifax mortgage score boosted 15 points 660.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thank you very much!

 

 

 

 

 


Welcome @Anonymous!

 

Leave the open skys at zero. Her version 8 will suffer, but the mortgage scores will not. If you add another account with a balance (opensky) to her profile, it will likely see a loss. 

On 8, she was suffering 2 penalties: AZ loss and AU AZ loss. 8 independently assesses whether there is activity on primary accounts and on AU accounts. 

The mortgage scores do not differentiate between primary and AU for revolving activity. Therefore on 8, you need one of each to report a balance for maximum points. On the mortgage scores, you only want one revolver to report a balance. True AZEO, has @AllZero  stated.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Hello,

 

My wife and I are 15 months into a 5 year ch. 13 plan. We are trying to get our scores up to 660 and above for FHA. Our lender has all in house financing and underwritters.

 

On October 23rd, MORTGAGE SCORES: I was 645 (EQ) 670 (EX) 634 (TU). My wife was 649 (EQ) 645 (EX) and 592 (TU).

Our mid scores need to be at 660 for a fha loan for both of us, no exceptions. 

I have 2 cc. Credit One (700 CL) and Surge (750 CL). My wife is AU on the credit one and she has 2 open sky secured cards with 200 CL each.

 

In October we got penalized, which reflected in our scores above. My Credit One reported $0. The Surge reported 143 (19% utilization). My wife's open skys both reported $0. My wife got the all zero penalty, since my Credit One also reported 0 on her AU.

 

For this month, November, The credit one reported Nov 3rd with $7 (1%). Today my wife got a notification on myFico that her FICO 8 experian went up 14 points to 661!! We figured Equifax would update tomorrow. Not worried about TU, since the score is so low anyway. When equifax updates, we will order new report to check MORTGAGE scores. It is exactly the same scores our lender gets.

 

Her open skys report to bureaus on the 16th. Should we do AZEO with her two open skys since now the AU is reporting $7? OR should we keep her open skys at 0 for reporting on the 16th this upcoming Monday?

 

My Surge reports the 13th, and I have it set to report $0 to give me the AZEO with credit one at $7, So I am hoping I will get my Equifax mortgage score boosted 15 points 660.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thank you very much!

 

 

 

 

 


Welcome @Anonymous!

 

Leave the open skys at zero. Her version 8 will suffer, but the mortgage scores will not. If you add another account with a balance (opensky) to her profile, it will likely see a loss. 

On 8, she was suffering 2 penalties: AZ loss and AU AZ loss. 8 independently assesses whether there is activity on primary accounts and on AU accounts. 

The mortgage scores do not differentiate between primary and AU for revolving activity. Therefore on 8, you need one of each to report a balance for maximum points. On the mortgage scores, you only want one revolver to report a balance. True AZEO, has @AllZero  stated.


 

Thank you everyone for helping us!! I now realize FICO 8 sees AU differently than mortgage.

 

So we ordered another report for my wife EX mortgage on myFico last night just to see before open skys report again November 16th.

 

Her EX Mortgage went from 645 to 657!! 12 point increase for AZEO w/AU as reporting card at 1%!!!!😊 but still 3 points shy of 660 needed🥺. 

 

We will keep her Open Skys at 0 balance for reporting on Monday November 16th. We put $6 on each card on November 2nd to show activity and have them scheduled PIF on the 13th due date. 

 

So with  reporting AZEO again on November 16th, we are hoping to get those 3 points on EX mortgage to be at 660 or above. 

EQ AU 1% balance  should populate on her report today, this will be AZEO as well, but I will wait until couple days after 16th to pull EQ mortgage. We need it to boost 15 points for her.

I just need 14 points to get me to 660 on only EQ mortgage, my EX mortgage is 670 already.

 

It really looks like AZEO is going to get us to 660 this month!!

 

It's insane to think how many people do not know how this process works .

 

Thank you again! 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Hello,

 

My wife and I are 15 months into a 5 year ch. 13 plan. We are trying to get our scores up to 660 and above for FHA. Our lender has all in house financing and underwritters.

 

On October 23rd, MORTGAGE SCORES: I was 645 (EQ) 670 (EX) 634 (TU). My wife was 649 (EQ) 645 (EX) and 592 (TU).

Our mid scores need to be at 660 for a fha loan for both of us, no exceptions. 

I have 2 cc. Credit One (700 CL) and Surge (750 CL). My wife is AU on the credit one and she has 2 open sky secured cards with 200 CL each.

 

In October we got penalized, which reflected in our scores above. My Credit One reported $0. The Surge reported 143 (19% utilization). My wife's open skys both reported $0. My wife got the all zero penalty, since my Credit One also reported 0 on her AU.

 

For this month, November, The credit one reported Nov 3rd with $7 (1%). Today my wife got a notification on myFico that her FICO 8 experian went up 14 points to 661!! We figured Equifax would update tomorrow. Not worried about TU, since the score is so low anyway. When equifax updates, we will order new report to check MORTGAGE scores. It is exactly the same scores our lender gets.

 

Her open skys report to bureaus on the 16th. Should we do AZEO with her two open skys since now the AU is reporting $7? OR should we keep her open skys at 0 for reporting on the 16th this upcoming Monday?

 

My Surge reports the 13th, and I have it set to report $0 to give me the AZEO with credit one at $7, So I am hoping I will get my Equifax mortgage score boosted 15 points 660.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thank you very much!

 

 

 

 

 


Welcome @Anonymous!

 

Leave the open skys at zero. Her version 8 will suffer, but the mortgage scores will not. If you add another account with a balance (opensky) to her profile, it will likely see a loss. 

On 8, she was suffering 2 penalties: AZ loss and AU AZ loss. 8 independently assesses whether there is activity on primary accounts and on AU accounts. 

The mortgage scores do not differentiate between primary and AU for revolving activity. Therefore on 8, you need one of each to report a balance for maximum points. On the mortgage scores, you only want one revolver to report a balance. True AZEO, has @AllZero  stated.


 

Thank you everyone for helping us!! I now realize FICO 8 sees AU differently than mortgage.

 

So we ordered another report for my wife EX mortgage on myFico last night just to see before open skys report again November 16th.

 

Her EX Mortgage went from 645 to 657!! 12 point increase for AZEO w/AU as reporting card at 1%!!!!😊 but still 3 points shy of 660 needed🥺. 

 

We will keep her Open Skys at 0 balance for reporting on Monday November 16th. We put $6 on each card on November 2nd to show activity and have them scheduled PIF on the 13th due date. 

 

So with  reporting AZEO again on November 16th, we are hoping to get those 3 points on EX mortgage to be at 660 or above. 

EQ AU 1% balance  should populate on her report today, this will be AZEO as well, but I will wait until couple days after 16th to pull EQ mortgage. We need it to boost 15 points for her.

I just need 14 points to get me to 660 on only EQ mortgage, my EX mortgage is 670 already.

 

It really looks like AZEO is going to get us to 660 this month!!

 

It's insane to think how many people do not know how this process works .

 

Thank you again! 

 


@Anonymous congratulations on the increases, but I don't see a path for another three points on that profile unless something changes on the profile to cause a score increase. It is at its maximum, AZEO now. Once your surge reports a zero balance you'll see your best scores. 

you may have to wait for more time to pass whats the newest revolvers on each profile? More profile details would help. 

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Anonymous
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Re: NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method

Yes, AZEO only helps once and will not continue to boost scores from month to month. 

 

I would look to see if there's a chance any age of accounts thresholds may be touched on 12-1-20, as outside of that there really aren't any opportunities for score increases.  Any current scoreable inquiries from around this time last year that are coming up on 365 days of age?

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Anonymous
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On both of our reports is the Ch. 13 bankruptcy , filed Aug 2019. It's a 5 year plan.

 

At our lender they can do the loan for us and close with fha manual underwriting 660 mid score for both. 

 

On her credit profile is AU from my 700 CL credit one which is a $7 (1%). She also has 2 secured open sky's at $200 each, one opened in February and one this September recommended by mortgage guy. Their current balance is $0 on reports. Using the AZEO method here is her current Fido mortgage scores:

 

EX 657

EQ 649 

TU 606

 

Her open sky's report again this month on November 16th.

 

Our mortgage guy with 28 years experience is suggesting to put a $4 balance on one of her open sky's for 1% Utl. He is thinking this may get her to 660, because the system will separate the AU as 1% utl and AZEO method for her open sky's?????  

 

We need to get 3 points on her EX and 11 on her EQ. The AZEO did not move her EQ mortgage at all from the previous month reporting all 0 including AU.

 

My scores are :

 

EX 670

EQ 646

TU 634

 

The surge credit card is reporting $143 with 750 credit limit. I got this card in September and the credit one back in February.


Currently I have it paid to 0 to report this Friday the 13th for AZEO in hopes I get my EQ to 660 with the credit one at $7.

 

On a side note, her aunt added Both of us as AU on a 30k GTE Financial credit union card (out of Tampa FL). This card has excellent10 year paying history and originally opened in 2010. The due date is the 17th, which means they will probably report to credit bureaus on the 20th. I do not know what the balance is but they are conservative with their credit. 

I'd imagine that it would show up on our credit reports sometime betweeen 21st and 23rd of this month.

 

I asked our mortgage guy about this last month and he said most of the time it's ok, but sometimes he says the underwriter may request it be removed if you can't prove 3 months of verified payment history from us as AU's.

 

He told us it's best to get 660 mid scores on our own before her aunts AU hits our reports just in case.

 

We are trying to get to 660 mid score before end of month so we can do fast track closing

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method

I was thinking with November 16th reporting of open sky's will be one additional month of on time payments and one month older account? Would this help?

 

One of the open sky's was opened in September but first reported to CB's in. October with a 0 balance. 

This is why mortgage guy says we needed to put a $4-$8 balance to get the card to report 1-2% utilization. He said this would bump the experian and potentially get the Equifax to 660 from 649.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: NEED HELP ASAP! AU with azeo method


@Anonymous wrote:

On both of our reports is the Ch. 13 bankruptcy , filed Aug 2019. It's a 5 year plan.

 

At our lender they can do the loan for us and close with fha manual underwriting 660 mid score for both. 

 

On her credit profile is AU from my 700 CL credit one which is a $7 (1%). She also has 2 secured open sky's at $200 each, one opened in February and one this September recommended by mortgage guy. Their current balance is $0 on reports. Using the AZEO method here is her current Fido mortgage scores:

 

EX 657

EQ 649 

TU 606

 

Her open sky's report again this month on November 16th.

 

Our mortgage guy with 28 years experience is suggesting to put a $4 balance on one of her open sky's for 1% Utl. He is thinking this may get her to 660, because the system will separate the AU as 1% utl and AZEO method for her open sky's?????  

 

We need to get 3 points on her EX and 11 on her EQ. The AZEO did not move her EQ mortgage at all from the previous month reporting all 0 including AU.

 

My scores are :

 

EX 670

EQ 646

TU 634

 

The surge credit card is reporting $143 with 750 credit limit. I got this card in September and the credit one back in February.


Currently I have it paid to 0 to report this Friday the 13th for AZEO in hopes I get my EQ to 660 with the credit one at $7.

 

On a side note, her aunt added Both of us as AU on a 30k GTE Financial credit union card (out of Tampa FL). This card has excellent10 year paying history and originally opened in 2010. The due date is the 17th, which means they will probably report to credit bureaus on the 20th. I do not know what the balance is but they are conservative with their credit. 

I'd imagine that it would show up on our credit reports sometime betweeen 21st and 23rd of this month.

 

I asked our mortgage guy about this last month and he said most of the time it's ok, but sometimes he says the underwriter may request it be removed if you can't prove 3 months of verified payment history from us as AU's.

 

He told us it's best to get 660 mid scores on our own before her aunts AU hits our reports just in case.

 

We are trying to get to 660 mid score before end of month so we can do fast track closing

 

 

 

 

 

 


@Anonymous listen to me. Regardless of what's your 28 year mortgage guy said, if you put a balance on that open sky she's going to have two accounts with a balance and she's going to see her mortgage scores go down. That is unless you zero out the one she's an AU on which is going to hurt your score, unless your surge happens to be a national bankcard.

 

I have no idea what a surge is, if it's a national bankcard you could keep a small balance on it and then she could have a small balance on the open sky but then you would have to zero out your other card that she is an authorized user on for both of you.

 

She may get an award December 1 for the age of the youngest account reaching three months, I don't know it depends on the rest of her profile. 

that's great she added y'all to that account, but if it's got anything other than a zero balance, it's going to lower your mortgage scores because you're going to have another account with a balance, unless you zero out your capital one also and leave her card as the only one with the balance for both of you.

 

you can only have one card with a balance on the mortgage scores for optimal Scoring.  it doesn't know the difference between a primary and an authorized user card for these purposes.

 

now you got to decide what you're gonna do and who's advice you're gonna follow. But I'd sure love for you to report back and I hope you make the right decision and I hope that your scores are able to reach the right levels! Good luck!

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