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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Need Help to 740...


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

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EX score 2 despises profiles that have cards at high utilization and high balances. Also EX is quite sensitive to elevated aggregate revolving utilization.......................


On EX 2, my experience directly contradicts your view of things.

 

While my utilization is at an all time high, and my FICO 8 is getting hammered because of it, my EX 2 is 48 points higher than FICO 8 and is only 2 points off its all time high. 

 

Conversely, when my utilization was practically nonexistent, and I was for sporting purposes maintaining it in the 1 to 3% range, my FICO 8 score was soaring and my EX 2 was in the cellar. I couldn't buy a point in that scoring model.

 

IMHO EX 2 cares a lot about the percentage of accounts with zero balance, cares a lot about new accounts and other aging factors, and doesn't give a fig about high percentages in utilization dollars, at least not by comparison to the FICO 8's and 9's.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Need Help to 740...

Well the below data does show a strong effect between utilization in $ and/or % and EX score 2 for my file.

 

The only significant difference between these two pulls is card utilization. [Side note: For me, Fico 98 (EX score 2) does not appear to look at my AU card in calculating revolving utilization. However, all Fico 04 models (EQ score 5, TU score 4 and EX score 3) do factor in my AU card for utilization] - per data in post #15 of this linkhttps://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/How-low-will-my-scores-go/m-p/6184392#M1...

 

Fico 3B scores Nov-Oct 2020.jpg

Fico 3B enhanced scores Nov - Oct.jpg

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Need Help to 740...


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Well the below data does show a strong effect between utilization in $ and/or % and EX score 2 for my file.

 

The only significant difference between these two pulls is card utilization. [Side note: For me, Fico 98 (EX score 2) does not appear to look at my AU card in calculating revolving utilization. However, all Fico 04 models (EQ score 5, TU score 4 and EX score 3) do factor in my AU card for utilization] - per data in post #15 of this linkhttps://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/How-low-will-my-scores-go/m-p/6184392#M1...

 

Fico 3B scores Nov-Oct 2020.jpg

Fico 3B enhanced scores Nov - Oct.jpg

 


Yeah, your experience is wildly different than mine. 

 

I wonder why.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Need Help to 740...

Aren't you guys in different score cards?

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Need Help to 740...

Ha! Smiley LOL

Our profiles could hardly be more different other than neither contain derogs. Clearly we are on different scorecards.

 

The total # of open accounts I have is rather meager. Undoubtedly my account QTY is below the critical mass preferred by the newer Fico 8 and Fico 9 models. So, changes in count showing balances have only a small impact on my score with these models. I do see more impact relating to count with the older "mortgage" Fico models (versions F04 and F98). Still, EX has not been particularly sensitive to count with balances.

 

Given how old my open accounts are, further increases in AoYA, AAoA and AoOA have no influence. That leaves scoring factors relating to utilization as the primary influencers impacting my scores. Too bad PIF transactor behavior is not considered in scoring.

 

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Need Help to 740...


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Too bad PIF transactor behavior is not considered in scoring.

 


Hopefully one day that changes.

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