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Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

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Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

I had a Loft Visa card that was in my name that my wife opened a few years ago.  We CLOSED the account last year and the card had no activity except the monthly payments posted to the account.  Last month I paid off the remaining balance bringing the closed account to zero.  This morning I received a FICO alert.  I was excited to see how much off a bump it would give to my score.  Much to my surprise the alert stated there was a balance change and the balance was zero but the drop decreased my score by 18 points from 756 to 738.  There has not been any other activity posted to impact the drop.  Can anyone explain??

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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

If this was your only credit card with a balance, that's the reason your score dropped.  FICO scoring models like to see one card with a small balance ($5 is fine) reported.  In order to get those 18 points back, all you have to do is use one of your credit cards and allow a small balance to report on it.  You'll have those points back as soon as whatever that credit card is reports, which could be in a week or no more than 30 days.

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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

Actually I have several credit cards and they have balances.  That is what is perplexing.  Also, the card was already closed so if it is closed why would having a balance matter if the card is not available for my use?  Thanks in adavnce.

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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

If you wouldn't mind listing out all of your credit cards and their balances/limits it would give us a better picture of what we're dealing with here.

 

If you have other cards with reported balances, paying off a card wouldn't (couldn't) drop your score, so those 18 points you lost came from something completely unrelated.

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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

That may be the case but this was the wording for the alert "An account listed on your credit report has been updated"

When I click on the Alert Details details tab from the iphone app  it only list one detail:

Amount: $0.00
Status: Paid loan


The above is the actual message from the FICO Alert.  Note this is a closed credit card and not a loan.  No other details listed or were reported stating that there were balance increases as I get those alerts as well.  Usually the bump in other activity are reported separately.

 

Thanks again.

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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

That alert is fine and makes perfect sense.  What's imperative for you to understand here is that alerts and scoring changes more often than not are completely unrelated.  It natural for you to assume that since you received an alert that the scoring change that went along with it was because of the event that triggered the alert.  It isn't.  Your score changed due to something else and the alert caused you to be presented with that new score.  There are plenty of things that will impact your credit score both positively and negatively that you'll never receive alerts for and conversely things that you will receive alerts for that will have zero impact on your score.  Alerts are just designed to let you know that something changed on your report, but many things can change on your report that won't move your score at all. 

 

Hopefully this makes sense.

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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

Ok.  If that is the case then it makes sense.  I correlated the two because you would assume that when you are alerted to a change in your score it would be realted to the activity they are making you aware off.  That is what appears to be happening with the other alerts.  Maybe more alerts will occur to make the picture clearer.  Thanks again for your input.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???


@Anonymous wrote:

I had a Loft Visa card that was in my name that my wife opened a few years ago.  We CLOSED the account last year and the card had no activity except the monthly payments posted to the account.  Last month I paid off the remaining balance bringing the closed account to zero.  This morning I received a FICO alert.  I was excited to see how much off a bump it would give to my score.  Much to my surprise the alert stated there was a balance change and the balance was zero but the drop decreased my score by 18 points from 756 to 738.  There has not been any other activity posted to impact the drop.  Can anyone explain??


It's very confusing, but the MyFICO alerts don't provide reasons for a score change.
There are certain events, such as a balance change, which trigger MyFICO alerts.
If there happens to be any difference between your present score at that particular bureau,
and the previous score reported to you from that bureau, the score change is tacked on to the alert.
There is not necessarily any connection at all between the score change and the alert substance.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Paid off a closed card and Experian score dropped 18 pts???

Ok.  Thank you for the input.  It is a little confusing. 

BTW I like your array of cards but more better your scores.

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@Anonymous wrote:

I correlated the two because you would assume that when you are alerted to a change in your score it would be realted to the activity they are making you aware off. 


I think you are still understanding this a little backwards.  You aren't being alerted to a change in your score.  You're being alerted to a change to your credit report which may or may not impact your score, depending on what that change is.  Overall the point is the same though, that the event you're being alerted to and your score change are unrelated.

 

Allow me to provide 2 examples here of how you could see scoring changes that are unrelated to alerts:

 

1 - Suppose you have just one delinquency, a 90 day late payment that is 6 years and 11 months old.  This lone baddie will fall off of your credit report next month.  Let's say your score is 700 currently.  Next month, the baddie falls off a couple of days before you receive an alert that one of your creditors has increased your credit limit.  Perhaps you had a $5000 limit card that's now reported to be $6500.  A new score is generated at the time of the alert.  If that 90 day late payment was your only baddie, it's feasible that you'd receive a 50 point increase to your score.  Naturally, someone may infer that this 50 point gain came from their CLI and then wrongly go on believing that increasing their credit limits will increase their score.

 

2 - Suppose last year on July 1st you went on a spree for 8 credit cards, 5 of which resulted in HPs on TU.  These inquiries will be on your credit report for 2 years, but are only scoreable for 1 year.  Say this year on July 2 (366 days after your spree) you applied for a new credit card and were hit with a HP on TU.  You receive an alert saying that there's a new inquiry on your TU report.  What you don't see, though, is that yesterday you had 5 inquiries on TU become unscoreable.  They are still visible, but are no longer impacting your score.  Those 5 inquiries becoming unscoreable may have resulted in a 10 point gain to your score that you didn't see, where the new inquiry resulted in a 2 point loss.  The net gain therefore would be +8 points.  The alert however shows that you took on an inquiry, but you see your score go up 8 points.  Clearly the 2 events in this example are unrelated.

 

These are just a couple of examples, but you get the idea of how an alert can be completely unrelated to a change in score. 

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