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tcbofade
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Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

Clear as mud, right?

 

Started February with overall CC utilization at 80%.  Opened a HELOC at the local credit union early this month.  Paid off and closed several accounts.  Unmaxed quite a few accounts.  As the month progresses, all of those balances are updating one at a time, and I'm trying to monitor for score break points.

 

For example, we all know that having any card report over 90% utilization is a red flag and hurts your score.

 

We know that there is a line at 30% overall utilization, and one at 50% utilization.

 

...trouble is, I'm not going to get THAT low this month.

 

Initially, several of my credit card accounts that I closed reported closed with a balance, which caused my overal utilization to CLIMB to 85%, but had no ill affect on my scores.  Currently, Experian shows me at 76% which has had no affect on my score.

 

So, if we ASSUME that there is NO line at 80%, does anyone know where the next line is?  Will my score improve when I get under 70%?  60%?

 

...cause I ain't going to get under 50% this month, simply cannot.

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
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Anonymous
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Re: Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

Hello Tcbofade!

 

It's clear you are asking about breakpoints associated with revolving utilization.  It's unclear, however, whether you are asking about overall U or per-card U.  You talk at least once about overall and at least a couple times about per-card.  Can you clarify?

 

Another thing I am unsure about from your post is whether you are chiefly interested in (a) getting practical guidance on what steps to take (with your cards) to improve your score -- or whether you are more interested in (b) the theoretical question of what breakpoints might exist, purely for the pleasure of knowing about the models for its own sake.

 

If (a), then the answer is pretty straightforward.  Your goal needs to be to pay off all of your cards in entirety, and to do so as quickly as you can.  And then moving forward, to pay your cards in full.  And finally, when you need to maximize your score for any reason (because you are about to have a really important credit pull, e.g. mortgage pre-approval, etc.) then make sure all CCs except one report $0 with the remaining card having a smallish balance.

 

That's the practical "what should I do" advice.  I hear you that you can't achieve this next month.  But knowing what breakpoints might exist doesn't change what the goal should be, which is paying your cards off entirely.  (There are several reasons why this is an important goal, of which "what will this do to my current FICO 8" is only one.)

 

If (b), then we'd need to know more about whether you are talking about per-card or overall.  But just as important, you'd need to know that testing what breakpoints might exist and where is difficult, for at least two reasons.  The first is that any "test result data" would be true only for the scorecard you happen to be in and for that particular model.  The "model" question would probably be limited to FICO 8 classic (rather than the many other flavors and versions) because that is the only model you likely have the ability to pull fresh new score multiple times a month.  And for the scorecard question, remember that each model has many scorecards within it (e.g. FICO 8 classic has 12 different scorecards).  You might even change to a different scorecard the next month and not know it, which would lead to (possibly) a different set of breakpoints.

 

The second reason why meaningful testing is hard is that it is very hard to keep ALL scoring model factors unchanged except the one that you are trying to test.  For example, even the most rigorous and scientific testing that happens here (and most is far less rigorous) involves pulling your score, making changes, and then pulling it again the following month.  But even there, AAoA has changed, age of youngest account has changed, age of oldest account has changed, etc.

 

None of that means that we don't have some well documented facts about CC balances and how they affect score. For example, a fair guess is that for all FICO models, the "total utilization factor" gives you the same number of points at any point in the range of 1-5%.  (Possibly 1-7 or even 1-9%.)  We know that the score hit for total U as you move from a total U of 9% to 99% probably involves breakpoints but there are probably very many, so many that it is akin to being gradual.  We know that per-card utilization often matters a lot when it is high and probably doesn't matter hardly at all (for most people) when a card is mid-to-low.  And we know that you don't get an advantage for having a higher utilization vs. a lower one (unless that is 0% vs. 1%).

 

Fortunately that knowledge is enough.  It's enough because it tells us what to do: pay off our cards (for long range benefit) and how to maximize the score in the short term when we need every extra point.

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tcbofade
Super Contributor

Re: Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

Thanks for all of that, Dixie... your posts are always awesome...  Smiley Happy

 

I was referring to overall utilization, not per card utilization, but I think you're telling me that there are simply too many pieces in the puzzle to find a definitive answer.

 

You are certainly correct in that paying off all CC debt would be my best option, but it isn't realistic for us right now... we are working on it!  Smiley Happy

 

Right this moment, we are more focused on monthly cash flow so that there will be some dollars left at the end of the month for savings/reducing debt.  I just "unmaxed" umpteen (yes, that is a real made up number) credit cards and do NOT want to max them out again... I'm very much looking forward to seeing balances continue to decline.

Fico 8 7/01/25: EX 800, EQ 805, TU 792.
Fico 9: EX 812 04/15/25, EQ 804 04/08/25, TU 792 02/15/25.

Zero percent financing is where the devil lives...
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NRB525
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Re: Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

In June 2015, my overall utilization was about 16% - 17%, across all cards together.

But during June 2015, that was the first month that every last one of my individual cards crossed below 50%, meaning by the end of June, I had no individual credit cards or PLOC reporting over 50% utilization.

 

During June my score jumped across all bureaus.

 

May 24, 2015: EQ 714   TU 727   EX 731

 

July 8, 2015: EQ 756  TU 775   EX 765

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

Very helpful, NRB.

 

Good luck, Tcbofade!

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jamie123
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Re: Revolving credit utilization thresholds for scoring

It seems that points for UTI are figured a couple of different ways and you mentioned one of them. You get a maxed out penalty when ANY one or more of your cards has a UTI above 90% of its CL. This sends up red flags to lenders and you will have a hard time getting new credit at this point.

 

The other UTI calculation is percentage of cards that are reporting a balance. If you have 50% or more of your cards reporting a balance you get nicked extra points for high usage. So if you have say 7 credit cards and 4 of them are reporting a balance you will get nicked extra points because you have more than 50% of your cards reporting a balance. (This is one reason not to close old cards. They give you points in this calculation just by sitting open on your reports.)

 

The general snowball method of paying down credit cards to gain max points is:

 

1. Pay all cards below 90% UTI of their respective CL.

2. Pay minimum required on all cards except the one with the lowest balance. Put extra funds to the card with the lowest balance until it is paid off.

3. Rinse and repeat.

 

Now, if you have a card with a significantly higher interest rate than the other cards, you can adjust this formula to get that card paid off first if you want.


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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