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Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice

So I've read a bunch of threads on here that give advice on rotating credit card use, advice on how to maximize FICO scores with credit card use and advice on how to maximize CLI's with heavy CC use.  I get the basics such has PIF on all cards or all but 1 card, and to let the 1 card report 1-9% of it's CL for maximum FICO return over time, and also switching up (rotating) which card you leave that 1-9% balance on.  A lot of people say that when trying to achive healthy size CLI's certain CC companies (most) seem to "like heavy usage" on the card. 

 

A couple of questions.  What constitutes "heavy usage" on a card?  Is it just based on dollars that flow through it monthly, amount of transactions posted to the card, a percentage of CL used (and paid) each month or somehow a combination of all these factors?

 

Just to assign some sort of numbers to this example and help me understand, let's say I've got 3 credit cards total and their CL's are $5k, $10k ad $15k.  On average I plan to cycle $1500/mo consistently between these 3 cards which makes up normal monthly bills and monthly expenses.  I'm not going to factor in those big periodic expenses like dropping $3k on a TV or something.  With this $1500, can someone give me some sort of target breakdown that would both maximize FICO scores while also setting myself up for the best potential CLI's in the upcoming months to year? 

 

I could evenly use all 3, say around 10 transations on each monthly for around $500 of usage on each card per month.  PIF on all of them or leave a small balance on one.

 

OR, I could not use 2 of them at all once month and run $1500 through just 1 card and PIF.  The next month do the same thing just with a different card.  Same thing month 3.

 

OR, I could run 2-3 transactions of $100 total or so across 2 cards and run the remaining $1300 through the final card.  PIF everything, then switch up the one that gets the most usage.


Lots of options.  And I'm sure I'm over thinking this and in the grand scheme of things it probably isn't going to constitute a significant difference in FICO scores and/or CLI potential. 

 

Those that understand this stuff far better than I do, using those numbers as an example, what would your suggestions be for best results?

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RonM21
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice

Generally, the theory is correct that everyone talks about. But the truth is that every lender is different, and at any given time they'll make decisions that seem like they make sense, then a lot that don't.

Putting a lot of use on the card means using or pushing your credit limit, then paying off, triggering the lender to increase it. Or sometimes it's using certain amounts, PIF, then using more, PIF, all in the same cycle.

With your $1500 and the example of those limits, there is only so much you can do. Obviously, you wouldn't push any of the limits in this scenario. That does not mean you won't get increase. As long as you keep the spend steady and show you can manage it, you'll still get a CLI at some point. Many people get consistent increase not putting a ton of use on a card.


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BoA-55k | NFCU-45k | AMEX-42k | DISC-40.6k | PENFED-38.4k | LOWES-35k | ALLIANT-25k | CITI-15.7k | BARCLAYS-15k | CHASE-10k

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Anonymous
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice

I figured... I mean looking at the income to available credit thread there are tons of people with credit lines 2-3x their income, so it's obviously impossible that any of them would have the financial means of ever pushing those limits.

 

I guess another thing I'm trying to figure out is that if you're going to push X dollars through a card over 3 months, is it most beneficial to simply run 1/3 X through the card consistently every month or a nothing at all for 2 months (or a single purchase of a few bucks) and then the full amount of X on month 3.  Again, looking for best FICO results and CLI chances.  I would think going with a heavy usage month and PIF prior to your CLI request the following month would probably help ones chances the most, but like you said every lender is different, looks at different things and has different considerations.

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Anonymous
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice


@Anonymous wrote:

So I've read a bunch of threads on here that give advice on rotating credit card use, advice on how to maximize FICO scores with credit card use and advice on how to maximize CLI's with heavy CC use.  I get the basics such has PIF on all cards or all but 1 card, and to let the 1 card report 1-9% of it's CL for maximum FICO return over time, and also switching up (rotating) which card you leave that 1-9% balance on.  A lot of people say that when trying to achive healthy size CLI's certain CC companies (most) seem to "like heavy usage" on the card. 

 

A couple of questions.  What constitutes "heavy usage" on a card?  Is it just based on dollars that flow through it monthly, amount of transactions posted to the card, a percentage of CL used (and paid) each month or somehow a combination of all these factors?

 

Just to assign some sort of numbers to this example and help me understand, let's say I've got 3 credit cards total and their CL's are $5k, $10k ad $15k.  On average I plan to cycle $1500/mo consistently between these 3 cards which makes up normal monthly bills and monthly expenses.  I'm not going to factor in those big periodic expenses like dropping $3k on a TV or something.  With this $1500, can someone give me some sort of target breakdown that would both maximize FICO scores while also setting myself up for the best potential CLI's in the upcoming months to year? 

 

I could evenly use all 3, say around 10 transations on each monthly for around $500 of usage on each card per month.  PIF on all of them or leave a small balance on one.

 

OR, I could not use 2 of them at all once month and run $1500 through just 1 card and PIF.  The next month do the same thing just with a different card.  Same thing month 3.

 

OR, I could run 2-3 transactions of $100 total or so across 2 cards and run the remaining $1300 through the final card.  PIF everything, then switch up the one that gets the most usage.


Lots of options.  And I'm sure I'm over thinking this and in the grand scheme of things it probably isn't going to constitute a significant difference in FICO scores and/or CLI potential. 

 

Those that understand this stuff far better than I do, using those numbers as an example, what would your suggestions be for best results?


Switching up or "rotating" the card that carries a balance is a complete waste of time, and does absolutely nothing for your scores. Just make sure all of your cards get periodic usage to prevent closure from lack of use.

 

FWIW, I think you are way over-analyzing it.

Each lender is going to have their own criteria as to what they consider "adequate" usage on a card. We are generally not privy to the details of such information. Since vendor fees are a percentage of the amount charged, I would simply go by the dollar amounts, not the number of swipes. Also I think the whole "usage encourages CLI's" thing tends to apply more to low limit cards, once you are in the five figure limit range and up, its less of an issue.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice

I let all charges post and then pay statement balances in full a few days before due date. That way I maximize float time on charges.

 

My approach is to have a primary card and rotate among secondary cards every few months to ensure use. Rotating among cards works well for me. It avoids CC companies from potentially taking adverse action due to inactivity. I do overlap on secondary cards so some months more cards report balances than others. Not a big deal.

 

Key point is don't let cards you want to keep go inactive for extended periods of time (6 months or more). If you do, there is risk of the CC company reducing your credit limit or closing your account. Typically you will NOT get a warning letter from the CC company that adverse action is being taken.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice


@Anonymous wrote:

So I've read a bunch of threads on here that give advice on rotating credit card use, advice on how to maximize FICO scores with credit card use and advice on how to maximize CLI's with heavy CC use.  I get the basics such has PIF on all cards or all but 1 card, and to let the 1 card report 1-9% of it's CL for maximum FICO return over time, and also switching up (rotating) which card you leave that 1-9% balance on.  A lot of people say that when trying to achive healthy size CLI's certain CC companies (most) seem to "like heavy usage" on the card. 

 

A couple of questions.  What constitutes "heavy usage" on a card?  Is it just based on dollars that flow through it monthly, amount of transactions posted to the card, a percentage of CL used (and paid) each month or somehow a combination of all these factors?

 

Just to assign some sort of numbers to this example and help me understand, let's say I've got 3 credit cards total and their CL's are $5k, $10k ad $15k.  On average I plan to cycle $1500/mo consistently between these 3 cards which makes up normal monthly bills and monthly expenses.  I'm not going to factor in those big periodic expenses like dropping $3k on a TV or something.  With this $1500, can someone give me some sort of target breakdown that would both maximize FICO scores while also setting myself up for the best potential CLI's in the upcoming months to year? 

 

I could evenly use all 3, say around 10 transations on each monthly for around $500 of usage on each card per month.  PIF on all of them or leave a small balance on one.

 

OR, I could not use 2 of them at all once month and run $1500 through just 1 card and PIF.  The next month do the same thing just with a different card.  Same thing month 3.

 

OR, I could run 2-3 transactions of $100 total or so across 2 cards and run the remaining $1300 through the final card.  PIF everything, then switch up the one that gets the most usage.


Lots of options.  And I'm sure I'm over thinking this and in the grand scheme of things it probably isn't going to constitute a significant difference in FICO scores and/or CLI potential. 

 

Those that understand this stuff far better than I do, using those numbers as an example, what would your suggestions be for best results?


The best way to use $1500 month in 3 accounts to accomplish the twin goal of high scores and getting CLI's would be to run 500 month through each account, making sure 2 of the 3 accounts are paid off before statement date and report a zero balance, while the 3rd account reports a balance but not more than 9% of the credit limit.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice

Gotcha.  So basically, equal, consistent usage is better than heavier on one and next to nothing on others to accomplish my goals.  Thank you.

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Anonymous
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Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice


@Anonymous wrote:

So I've read a bunch of threads on here that give advice on rotating credit card use, advice on how to maximize FICO scores with credit card use and advice on how to maximize CLI's with heavy CC use.  I get the basics such has PIF on all cards or all but 1 card, and to let the 1 card report 1-9% of it's CL for maximum FICO return over time, and also switching up (rotating) which card you leave that 1-9% balance on.  A lot of people say that when trying to achive healthy size CLI's certain CC companies (most) seem to "like heavy usage" on the card. 

 

A couple of questions.  What constitutes "heavy usage" on a card?  Is it just based on dollars that flow through it monthly, amount of transactions posted to the card, a percentage of CL used (and paid) each month or somehow a combination of all these factors?

 

Just to assign some sort of numbers to this example and help me understand, let's say I've got 3 credit cards total and their CL's are $5k, $10k ad $15k.  On average I plan to cycle $1500/mo consistently between these 3 cards which makes up normal monthly bills and monthly expenses.  I'm not going to factor in those big periodic expenses like dropping $3k on a TV or something.  With this $1500, can someone give me some sort of target breakdown that would both maximize FICO scores while also setting myself up for the best potential CLI's in the upcoming months to year? 

 

I could evenly use all 3, say around 10 transations on each monthly for around $500 of usage on each card per month.  PIF on all of them or leave a small balance on one.

 

OR, I could not use 2 of them at all once month and run $1500 through just 1 card and PIF.  The next month do the same thing just with a different card.  Same thing month 3.

 

OR, I could run 2-3 transactions of $100 total or so across 2 cards and run the remaining $1300 through the final card.  PIF everything, then switch up the one that gets the most usage.


Lots of options.  And I'm sure I'm over thinking this and in the grand scheme of things it probably isn't going to constitute a significant difference in FICO scores and/or CLI potential. 

 

Those that understand this stuff far better than I do, using those numbers as an example, what would your suggestions be for best results?


Thanks for bringing this up....

GOOD POST!

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice


@Anonymous wrote:

Gotcha.  So basically, equal, consistent usage is better than heavier on one and next to nothing on others to accomplish my goals.  Thank you.


Yes but for scoring purposes you want to make sure that 2 accounts report a zero balance on statement date.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Rotating CCs, max FICO + max CLI advice


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Gotcha.  So basically, equal, consistent usage is better than heavier on one and next to nothing on others to accomplish my goals.  Thank you.


Yes but for scoring purposes you want to make sure that 2 accounts report a zero balance on statement date.


To be clear, that's when an application is being made.  During the typical non-application period, doesn't matter.  Utilization is just instant-in-time: I pretty it up pre-application and don't sweat it otherwise but I also don't make that many unplanned applications either (7% and both of those were surprise pre-qualified business CC's).

 

If one follows the typical financial advice of don't spend more than you make, usually won't be in a bad place from a reported balances perspective, or at least anyone who's been on this forum for a year or longer call it Smiley Happy.




        
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