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Re: Spree Penalty

@Remedios May I ask what the percentage of revolvers with a balance and percentage of accounts with a balance are? One of the things I’ve been trying to nail down and it appears you’re under the lowest for TU4.
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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Spree Penalty


@Anonymous wrote:
@RemediosMay I ask what the percentage of revolvers with a balance and percentage of accounts with a balance are? One of the things I’ve been trying to nail down and it appears you’re under the lowest for TU4.

4 and 2 both have it. They give identical negative reason codes at the moment.

Soon, there will be reporting palooza, so I'm sure they will change again. 

 

You made me work, I had to go count lol.

So, exact number is 3 revolvers and one loan, 4 accounts with balances total, out of 13

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Spree Penalty

@Remedios very grateful. Thank you very much!

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Anonymous
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Re: Spree Penalty

I would’ve expected 5, 4 and 2 to have it at 31% with a balance. Hmmm. You weren’t lying when you said you had a weird file. Lol.
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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Spree Penalty

@Anonymous  I think I mentioned before, but in case I did not, prior to reassignment, I could have up to 50% on EX 8 classic, and 33% on TU and EQ without a penalty for additional accounts with balances.

After reassignment, on 8 (accross all three), anything past three revolvers gets penalty.

Fourth account -2

Fifth and sixth -5 (each). 

I would have expected the reverse, for penalty to be less after reassignment, but that's not what happened. 

 

Maybe it takes time for profile to "stabilize" after reassignment. 

 

My current 8 classic scores are EX 779, TU 780, EQ 790 (as of today) so, if that's bottom of my scorecard...🤯

Message 55 of 91
Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Spree Penalty


@Anonymous wrote:
I would’ve expected 5, 4 and 2 to have it at 31% with a balance. Hmmm. You weren’t lying when you said you had a weird file. Lol.

Ha! Told you it was weird.

I'm sure there is a reason, but I cannot figure it out. 

My theory is that with younger profiles, thickness of file is the main ingredient that differentiates us (Cassie and I are perfect examples. Perhaps 5 accounts meets the definition, but it's not enough to defy the norm for young file)

 

I don't think there is a big difference between 7 and 17 accounts on a more mature file, but on the young one..it just might be the secret sauce. 

That's just me shooting ideas, I'm clueless why my profile doesn't follow accepted "norms" 

 

 

Message 56 of 91
Anonymous
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Re: Spree Penalty


@Remedios wrote:

@Anonymous  I think I mentioned before, but in case I did not, prior to reassignment, I could have up to 50% on EX 8 classic, and 33% on TU and EQ without a penalty for additional accounts with balances.

After reassignment, on 8 (accross all three), anything past three revolvers gets penalty.

Fourth account -2

Fifth and sixth -5 (each). 

I would have expected the reverse, for penalty to be less after reassignment, but that's not what happened. 

 

Maybe it takes time for profile to "stabilize" after reassignment. 

 

My current 8 classic scores are EX 779, TU 780, EQ 790 (as of today) so, if that's bottom of my scorecard...🤯


@Remedios totally agree, I would've expected the same thing. Absolutely crazy because you would've expected less of a penalty on a mature card and then less of a penalty even more so on a mature/no new accounts card.

 

But I think there may be some thing to the theory that a little bit of time hast to pass to build up enough of a buffer for the new account assignment to matter, but for the number of accounts with a balance thresholds to adjust as well is crazy ... maybe there is some interaction with age of oldest/average age of revolving accounts and a number of accounts with a balance on mature cards? 

Weird. Hopefully will be able to figure it out with more data points, but there's definitely something unknown going on.

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Anonymous
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Re: Spree Penalty


@Remedios wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
I would’ve expected 5, 4 and 2 to have it at 31% with a balance. Hmmm. You weren’t lying when you said you had a weird file. Lol.

Ha! Told you it was weird.

I'm sure there is a reason, but I cannot figure it out. 

My theory is that with younger profiles, thickness of file is the main ingredient that differentiates us (Cassie and I are perfect examples. Perhaps 5 accounts meets the definition, but it's not enough to defy the norm for young file)

 

I don't think there is a big difference between 7 and 17 accounts on a more mature file, but on the young one..it just might be the secret sauce. 

That's just me shooting ideas, I'm clueless why my profile doesn't follow accepted "norms" 

 

 


@Remedios I agree, number of accounts, and number of bank cards separately, most likely do make a difference on younger profiles that are mature. 

Message 58 of 91
Revelate
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Re: Spree Penalty


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Curious_George2 wrote:

I'm relieved to hear that this is a well understood (though not well liked) issue. I didn't know that factor truncation was a thing that varied by score version. Thank you!

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that for all FICO scores other than Score 8, if MF shows fewer than four negative factors, that means there aren't any deductions for reasons beyond the 1, 2 or 3 shown?


Yeah, most scorecards you can't get that few especially positive ones which is why I was so surprised to see Reme's two for EX FICO 2.  I have a higher score and all 4, so we are likely on different scorecards.

 

I first saw it when I was in one of the serious derogatory scorecards here on myFICO explicitly on TU FICO 4: I dropped down to three reason codes twice when I didn't have any scoreable inquiries and the take away there was there were fewer reason codes vis a vis for FICO 8 and below there is no new accounts penalty / reason codes for the bottom 4 scorecards.

 

FICO 9 may change that though actually re: new accounts on even the 60D late scorecard I am on TU currently.  I haven't pulled from here in a bit last year was so screwy it wasn't worth the pull anyway haha.  


@Revelate Remmy should have a new account negative Reason code. For some reason it's not showing. And I don't know why.

 

Also you should know that the 20 something of last month I think it was, we had a ton of people come reporting unexplainable errors on EX2. We've got a big thread on it and there are too many people with too many impossible score changes.

 

It seems there may have been an update or glitch or something because true enough there's going to be some unexplainable events, but we had too many people right on about the same date that truly had the same data between two days in the middle of the month and had different scores. I mean nothing you could even theorize on. 

The takeaway is something was screwy with EX2 last month. And this is not the first time this is happened. There was once @Anonymous  had a no revolving activity code while she had a Costco visa reporting a balance. There was also one other incident I think with one other member that had an 11 point discrepancy for a few days that resolved itself. And these were not situations where there was an event a day or two away that could be responsible and maybe it was coming from an inactive database. Insane. I can go look up the thread and link it if you like. 

and did you say you have a new account reason code with a 60 day late on version 9?


I'll go look for the thread.  I haven't really been checking Experian religiously because my scores are basically flatline with small exceptions.  Maybe I was lucky and caught a score on that date... then again the personal laptop is still in Texas.  

That's a qualified maybe on TU FICO 9.  That said my 60D late isn't going anywhere on that file. When I get past the one year on the Houston mortgage fiesta I'll make a 1B pull here to check concretely.  Real motive is to see where TU 4 is at but probably not necessary as DCU has my EQ 5 as of January at a 778.

 

I only get two reason codes there so can't check Remes account with balances with 3 showing.




        
Message 59 of 91
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Spree Penalty

Which scorecard reassignment are you referring to @Remedios ?




        
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