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This makes no sense to me

This is a little confusing.  I don't want to have to pay for all 3 scores, but I'm beginning to think this is a racket.

 

Here is my exhausting story. 

In March 2012, I received a letter from AmEx saying they were slashing my credit limit.  Experian reported to them my FICO score was 707 and Amex said this was a primary reason for them lowering my credit limit from 20K to 11.2K.  My balance at the time was $11K so the basically said no more credit for you. (I got married in Oct and put all wedding expenses on the card to collect the points and proceeded to pay the minimum on the card in all the months leading up until March of 2012 while I focused on paying down higher interest cards) This got me thinking that I need to take action fast.

 

The 707 seemed low to me, and I thought I had perfect credit, so I paid $45 for their "Credit Counseling Package" to try and drill down to the heart of the problem.  (FYI. The Experian service was ver comprehensive and worth the price.  I recommend for any newby.)  They ran my report and they gave me an Experian score of 691.  It turns out my balances were dragging down my overall score. (Simple, I know now, I was a dummy)  I also learned that Amex slashing my credit limit was going to hurt me too.  Per the advice from the folks at Experian, I contacted AmEX and faxed them savings and income proof and they agreed to bring my credit limit up to $20K

 

Due to the fact that I want to buy a house in September.  I got aggressive in paying down debt. 

Only 3 cards.  March balance vs May balance.

 

Card #1

was $3618 now $2590  Credit limit $9,018 (odd limit number because this card reports high balance rather than credit limit. But I have read here that this id ok. Right?)

 

Card #2

was $$4895 now $1841Credit limit $4500

 

Card #3

was $11,047 now $10,000 Credit limit $20,000

 

So today was 2 months of paying down debt and I signed up for the service here as a 10 day trial.  It gave me a Equifax FICO of 736!  I was thrilled but when I looked closer, I saw that card #2 did not show up on the Equifax report at all.  I called and myFico told me that not all cards report to all agencies.  Card #2 is a credit union card

but I can't believe it would not show up.

 

My question is this......

 

Can I trust the Equifax score when I know that it is not factoring in 1 of the 3 debts that I have? 

Is comparing my March Experian FICO score that list all 3 debtors and my May Equifax FICO score that is missing one a true apple to apples comparison?

Can I really celebrate a 29 point raise? or is my thinking flawed?

 

I called Experian and paid another $7.99 so I could at least compare their (FAKO) scores.  My March Experian FAKO was 691, My May is 769!!!  I'm happy to get this apples to apples number comparison, but I'm very disappointed that they will not give me a FICO number to compare to the 707 I was told they reported to AMEX in March!!!

 

This seems crazy to me that It is looking like I am going to have to by all 3 scores and then get them translated to a FICO score. 

 

I'm feeling good about the work my wife and I have done over the past two months, but frustrated that I can't seem to get a real, true FICO comparison from the &)& in March.  I would love to assume the 736 from Equifax, but you know what they say about assuming?

 

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

 

 

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: This makes no sense to me

If you got the Equifax score from myfico as stated, then it absolutely is a real score, and incidently the same one you will get on your mortgage application.  IMO, it's by far the most worthwhile score you can obtain as an individual consumer from literally the entire Internet currently (though one of the products EQ itself offers is the same if you can figure out which one is not the FAKO out of their two).

 

As for the credit union, that's not only entirely possible, it's unfortunately likely.  There's no legal requirement to report at all, and it's only specified in the contract language between the CRA and the institution requesting the pull that usually they have to report to at least them... if it's mentioned at all.  Many CU's and other smaller lenders tend to fall into this category which is admittedly sub-optimal from my perspective:  I have an installment loan on my EX report which I'd love to have reporting to all three but that isn't going to happen and I effectively had to open up another installment loan just to get one on my EQ / TU reports.

 

When you apply for a mortgage you'll get a tri-merge report run which consolidates information from all three bureaus, so your CU card will be seen for the mortgage qualification.

 

I agree it's something of a racket with the various FAKO scores and the inability to get any sort of real tracking of one's Experian's score (I argue the same is true for TU as well but others disagree) for the overwhelming majority of us and even if EX did offer it, it's probably not even the same one that Amex used which is almost assuredly Credit-Enhanced.  Edit: the overwhelming majority comment is regarding the fact there's one or two CU's out there which offer a EX FICO to their members, unfortunately the well-known one is PA residents only, and the other I think was a Cali one which I wasn't qualified for under any circumstances either.

 

End of the day, there's not much you can do about it so it's not worth worrying about.  Just continue to pay down your debt, which is a good thing on any FICO model, regardless of industry option, from any of the three CRA's.  You and your wife are making progress, just keep doing the same and party on. 




        
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Anonymous
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Re: This makes no sense to me

Thanks for your thoughtful email and knowledge.

 

I ran all 3 reports today for free (annual deal I guess)  No scores for free though.

Interesting while looking deeper.....

The credit union debt did not show up on TU either.  So only one of the three are reporting it.

 

The most recent payments made on April 22, 25 and 26 respectively are still not being reported.  It is May 11th!   That info begs the question......  How long does it take for the 3 credit companies to report the information.  None of the 3 have recorded these payments.

 

Also, I see there is a threshold on my Equifax FICO report that reads that 760 is a magic number for getting the best 30 year mortgage rates.  Does anyone out there have any experience with that?

 

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marty56
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Re: This makes no sense to me

Many times you can get the best rates even if your score is below 760.  My CU'have rates that also are based on non credit report factors like your relationship with them. 

 

760 is probably sufficient for the best rates but might not be necessary for them.

1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
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Anonymous
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Re: This makes no sense to me


@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for your thoughtful email and knowledge.

 

I ran all 3 reports today for free (annual deal I guess)  No scores for free though.

Interesting while looking deeper.....

The credit union debt did not show up on TU either.  So only one of the three are reporting it.

 

The most recent payments made on April 22, 25 and 26 respectively are still not being reported.  It is May 11th!   That info begs the question......  How long does it take for the 3 credit companies to report the information.  None of the 3 have recorded these payments.

 

Also, I see there is a threshold on my Equifax FICO report that reads that 760 is a magic number for getting the best 30 year mortgage rates.  Does anyone out there have any experience with that?

 


The creditors decide what credit bureaus they report to. I have some ten year old accounts that have only ever reported to one bureau. That isn't a problem because when you go to apply for a mortgage they will pull all three, equifax, experian, and transunion and your mortgage rate will usually be based on your middle score. If one has your score at 769, another at 745 and another at 720 then they use the score or 745.

 

Creditors are sensitive to debt within 80% of your credit limit. American Express soft pulls your credit regularly (many companies do this) to see what's going on with your other accounts. When they saw things close to maxed out, they lowered your limit as low as they could with the balance you currently had. It may be lowered additionally as you pay it down unfortunately. For that reason, I would pay off your other two accounts in full first so that when they look at your account as your paying down the balance they see that you've gotten it all reined back in. Obviously still make above the minimum payment on the Amex in the meantime, but, yeah, work down the other two first probably.

 

Additionally, credit card companies only report your balance once a month and it's usually the balance as of the statement date. Most of my cards take about 3-5 days after the statement posts to update my balance. Those payments that you made won't show up until about a week after your next statement date.

 

Additionally, getting the best rate also depends on your lender. My husband has a 730 but was getting rate quotes at the level usually reserved for subprime. Smiley Mad

 

The mortgage broker we were working with made it out like we were getting a heck of a deal on the interest rate... lol

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AndySoCal
Senior Contributor

Re: This makes no sense to me

What type of card is Card #1  AMEX or a signature VISA ? Are you seeing the 9018 amount  on the  merged credit report? If  so some CRA's will report the higher of the credit limit and the high balance fields.

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Anonymous
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Re: This makes no sense to me

Visa Signiture

 

All 3 reports use high balance rather than credit limit, which is good because they are using the larger number and thus ratio is lower.

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js0319
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Re: This makes no sense to me

A score of 760 is generally, in most cases, considered "excellent" credit when trying to get the lowest possible rates. Anything above 760 will not necessarily get you a better rate.


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