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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

To simulator $1k=$100k

I have a new auto loan which hasn't reported.

 

I input the auto loan into the FICO 8 simulator, and it indicated a 35 drop in EQ and 30 point drops in EX and TU.

 

I then reduced the size of the loan to $1000, and then increased the size of the loan to $100,000, and the indications never varied.

 

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the simulator.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: To simulator $1k=$100k

I have yet to find any sort of simulator that predicts more store any closer than 50-60 points of what it actually is... so I have zero confidence in score simulators personally.

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JustinA
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Re: To simulator $1k=$100k

I enjoyed the Cap1 simulator...paying down to 2% dropped me 26 points. Paying on time for 24 months dropped 4 points. Apparently I've been rebuilding incorrectly this whole time

Starting TU: 536
Starting EQ: 573
Goal: 640


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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: To simulator $1k=$100k


@JustinA wrote:
I enjoyed the Cap1 simulator...paying down to 2% dropped me 26 points. Paying on time for 24 months dropped 4 points. Apparently I've been rebuilding incorrectly this whole time

Smiley Happy


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Imperfectfuture
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Re: To simulator $1k=$100k


@JustinA wrote:
I enjoyed the Cap1 simulator...paying down to 2% dropped me 26 points. Paying on time for 24 months dropped 4 points. Apparently I've been rebuilding incorrectly this whole time

You will be rewarded for your indiscretions.  Smiley Wink

 

As to the same scoring, an installment loan is the same scoring, regardless of amount (though mortgages are scored in a different bucket, I think).  That is why the secured installment reindeer game works.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: To simulator $1k=$100k


@SouthJamaica wrote:

I have a new auto loan which hasn't reported.

 

I input the auto loan into the FICO 8 simulator, and it indicated a 35 drop in EQ and 30 point drops in EX and TU.

 

I then reduced the size of the loan to $1000, and then increased the size of the loan to $100,000, and the indications never varied.

 

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the simulator.


Apparently I need an up-to-date product from MyFICO to use their simulator (I am not a subscriber to a monthly service).

 

I did give the CK VS 3.0 simulator a try for auto loans - The simulator feels I would benefit from getting a loan [I do have a rather thin file]. Here are the results:

 

1) Current CK TU VS3 = 829

2) VS3 with $5k loan... = 833

3) VS3 with $10k loan. = 832

4) Vs3 with $15k loan.. = 831

5) VS3 with $25k loan. = 830

6) VS3 with $35k loan. = 829

7) VS3 with $50k loan. = 828

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: To simulator $1k=$100k


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

I have a new auto loan which hasn't reported.

 

I input the auto loan into the FICO 8 simulator, and it indicated a 35 drop in EQ and 30 point drops in EX and TU.

 

I then reduced the size of the loan to $1000, and then increased the size of the loan to $100,000, and the indications never varied.

 

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the simulator.


Apparently I need an up-to-date product from MyFICO to use their simulator (I am not a subscriber to a monthly service).

 

I did give the CK VS 3.0 simulator a try for auto loans - The simulator feels I would benefit from getting a loan [I do have a rather thin file]. Here are the results:

 

1) Current CK TU VS3 = 829

2) VS3 with $5k loan... = 833

3) VS3 with $10k loan. = 832

4) Vs3 with $15k loan.. = 831

5) VS3 with $25k loan. = 830

6) VS3 with $35k loan. = 829

7) VS3 with $50k loan. = 828


1. Funny you did that. I did that too, today, and according to CK's Vantage 3.0 simulator my Vantage score wouldn't change. I wonder why the massive difference between FICO 8 and Vantage 3.0, and I wonder whether the massive difference will play out when the loan actually hits.

 

2. I hope you don't use that Vantage simulator as an excuse to go out and get a car you don't need Smiley Happy If so, I hope you'll follow Vantage's prudent advice to stick with the cheapest car Smiley Happy

 

 

 


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: To simulator $1k=$100k

My car is 10 years old and on average I get a new car every 10 years. However, I can get more points on VS (5 to 7 both according to the simulator and verified with actual data) by increasing my reported CC utilization to 4% from 1%. That I can do quite easily without any lingering debt obligations. Smiley LOL

 

 

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: To simulator $1k=$100k

I actuallly use Experian which will give you updated scores all the time.  I like that conceipt better.  And I can get all 3 ficos when I want to.  And the simulator actually is pretty darn accurate!  Almost right on the money.  I would definitley think they will be a difference in your scores depending on your loan.  We're going for an equity line of credit right after the new year and I'm scared to death what that will do to our scores.  Have my eye on the new 2018 BMW X5M down the road.  

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: To simulator $1k=$100k


@Anonymous wrote:

I actuallly use Experian which will give you updated scores all the time.  I like that conceipt better.  And I can get all 3 ficos when I want to.  And the simulator actually is pretty darn accurate!  Almost right on the money.  I would definitley think they will be a difference in your scores depending on your loan.  We're going for an equity line of credit right after the new year and I'm scared to death what that will do to our scores.  Have my eye on the new 2018 BMW X5M down the road.  


Wow, I didn't realize Experian had a simulator. Thanks for that info Smiley Happy

 

I plugged it in, and got the same result I got in MyFICO: a 35 point drop in FICO 8. And there too the score drop was the same whether the amount of the loan was $1000 or $100,000.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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