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Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

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BallBounces
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Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

Next week when March arrives, I will have a revolving card move to the one year threshold.  I will observe what I expect to be no change related to this move.  I do expect total movement of 5-10 points after March 1, depending on the reported balance of a few lines around that time.  This score move will be related to other derogitory aging as well as reduce UTL, perhaps individual thresholds as well.  AAoA on my thick file will not change materially.  This will make it hard to evaluate root causes for a score change.

 

I am almost certainly on a dirty scorecard, with two 60 day lates reporting in the last 7 years.  They will still be present next month.

 

EX 757, I think will move only 5 points to 762 on March 1. 

EQ 773, TU 750 I will see a little later in the month but expect roughly 5 points on those as well.

 

All this just to say, as many know, even common anecdotes that "AoYA moving to 12 months will provide an increase of 15 or more points" have caveats.

 

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

If you have access to F9 as well as F8, please report score changes for both models. A recent poster reported drops in F9 scores when AoYRA reaches 12 months but F8 scores remained neutral or increased slightly.

 

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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BallBounces
Valued Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

If you have access to F9 as well as F8, please report score changes for both models. A recent poster reported drops in F9 scores when AoYRA reaches 12 months but F8 scores remained neutral or increased slightly.

 

 


I'll pull a full report March 1 or March 2.

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?


@BallBounces wrote:

Next week when March arrives, I will have a revolving card move to the one year threshold.  I will observe what I expect to be no change related to this move.  I do expect total movement of 5-10 points after March 1, depending on the reported balance of a few lines around that time.  This score move will be related to other derogitory aging as well as reduce UTL, perhaps individual thresholds as well.  AAoA on my thick file will not change materially.  This will make it hard to evaluate root causes for a score change.

 

I am almost certainly on a dirty scorecard, with two 60 day lates reporting in the last 7 years.  They will still be present next month.

 

EX 757, I think will move only 5 points to 762 on March 1. 

EQ 773, TU 750 I will see a little later in the month but expect roughly 5 points on those as well.

 

All this just to say, as many know, even common anecdotes that "AoYA moving to 12 months will provide an increase of 15 or more points" have caveats.

 


If you're saying that at some point in March you will have no revolving account newer than 12 months, I imagine that that will produce some score gain, although my research was with a "clean" scorecard.  As you know, my research also found that while "AoYA" was the metric for the mortgage scores,  "AoYRA" was the metric for FICO 8 scores.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

Good point. As we know, Fico only mentions using age of file and recency of accounts as segmentation factors for scorecard assignment for "clean" files.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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BallBounces
Valued Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?


@BallBounces wrote:

Next week when March arrives, I will have a revolving card move to the one year threshold.  I will observe what I expect to be no change related to this move.  I do expect total movement of 5-10 points after March 1, depending on the reported balance of a few lines around that time.  This score move will be related to other derogitory aging as well as reduce UTL, perhaps individual thresholds as well.  AAoA on my thick file will not change materially.  This will make it hard to evaluate root causes for a score change.

 

I am almost certainly on a dirty scorecard, with two 60 day lates reporting in the last 7 years.  They will still be present next month.

 

EX 757, I think will move only 5 points to 762 on March 1. 

EQ 773, TU 750 I will see a little later in the month but expect roughly 5 points on those as well.

 

All this just to say, as many know, even common anecdotes that "AoYA moving to 12 months will provide an increase of 15 or more points" have caveats.

 


I have EQ data to observe from March 1.

 

There was no change in FICO Score 8:  773 before March 1, 773 after March 1. 

FICO Score 9 on the other hand moved from 749 in mid February to 765 on March 1.  I can not be certain what items effected this. Auto and Card movements were very similar to straight FICO9.

 

Again, the youngest account (a revolver) aging to one year had no effect on my dirty FICO 8 Score.

 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?


@BallBounces wrote:

@BallBounces wrote:

Next week when March arrives, I will have a revolving card move to the one year threshold.  I will observe what I expect to be no change related to this move.  I do expect total movement of 5-10 points after March 1, depending on the reported balance of a few lines around that time.  This score move will be related to other derogitory aging as well as reduce UTL, perhaps individual thresholds as well.  AAoA on my thick file will not change materially.  This will make it hard to evaluate root causes for a score change.

 

I am almost certainly on a dirty scorecard, with two 60 day lates reporting in the last 7 years.  They will still be present next month.

 

EX 757, I think will move only 5 points to 762 on March 1. 

EQ 773, TU 750 I will see a little later in the month but expect roughly 5 points on those as well.

 

All this just to say, as many know, even common anecdotes that "AoYA moving to 12 months will provide an increase of 15 or more points" have caveats.

 


I have EQ data to observe from March 1.

 

There was no change in FICO Score 8:  773 before March 1, 773 after March 1. 

FICO Score 9 on the other hand moved from 749 in mid February to 765 on March 1.  I can not be certain what items effected this. Auto and Card movements were very similar to straight FICO9.

 

Again, the youngest account (a revolver) aging to one year had no effect on my dirty FICO 8 Score.

 


IMHO the AoYA and AoYRA metrics don't change on the 1st of the month; they change on the actual anniversary of the account's being opened.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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BallBounces
Valued Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@BallBounces wrote:

@BallBounces wrote:

Next week when March arrives, I will have a revolving card move to the one year threshold.  I will observe what I expect to be no change related to this move.  I do expect total movement of 5-10 points after March 1, depending on the reported balance of a few lines around that time.  This score move will be related to other derogitory aging as well as reduce UTL, perhaps individual thresholds as well.  AAoA on my thick file will not change materially.  This will make it hard to evaluate root causes for a score change.

 

I am almost certainly on a dirty scorecard, with two 60 day lates reporting in the last 7 years.  They will still be present next month.

 

EX 757, I think will move only 5 points to 762 on March 1. 

EQ 773, TU 750 I will see a little later in the month but expect roughly 5 points on those as well.

 

All this just to say, as many know, even common anecdotes that "AoYA moving to 12 months will provide an increase of 15 or more points" have caveats.

 


I have EQ data to observe from March 1.

 

There was no change in FICO Score 8:  773 before March 1, 773 after March 1. 

FICO Score 9 on the other hand moved from 749 in mid February to 765 on March 1.  I can not be certain what items effected this. Auto and Card movements were very similar to straight FICO9.

 

Again, the youngest account (a revolver) aging to one year had no effect on my dirty FICO 8 Score.

 


IMHO the AoYA and AoYRA metrics don't change on the 1st of the month; they change on the actual anniversary of the account's being opened.


I will check that as well.  I did not think that was the case with account aging metrics, although it is with Inquiry metrics..  

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FicoMike0
Senior Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

Wow, you re getting some real data! Keep up the great work.

 

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BallBounces
Valued Contributor

Re: Upcoming AoYA observation opportunity, or is it?

Both EQ (773) and EX (757) moved 0  points moving from February 25th to March 1.   This represents the month change where AoYRA went from 11 to 12 months.

 

On the actual DATE, March 10,  that the card achieved 12 months, EX also moved 0 points, although it was at 761 by that time havng increased four points through a balance decrease (3points) and final INQ(1 point) aging to 366 days earlier in the month.

 

I can say with a small bit of confidence that AOY(r)A aging to a year did not specifically impact my FICO8 scores for EX and EQ.

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