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Re: FICO AMA Discussion Thread


@Hutchman92 wrote:

Okay I just spent the last two hours reading your post that you referred me to. Thank you so much for documenting all of that information and your past investigation. I have several questions but it's 4am here in Florida. I will reply to this thread tomorrow (today) thank you Birdman!


@Hutchman92 in Florida with you. 

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Hutchman92
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Re: FICO AMA Discussion Thread

So a quick question as my brain tries to retain your educational post. In regards to the ideal credit utilization metric for revolving accounts. I gather that it's between 1-9.4%, two questions: does 1% balance differ in any way than 8% in terms of scoring? Also, is this an account by account scenario or ONLy aggregate of revoking accounts. Example could I let 6 out of 7 cards report 0 balance but have 1 card report 1-9.4% of the total convinced revolving account limits? I could easily charge 1% to each card but it may be easier to leave all at 0% and just charge under $100 to one card, but I noticed in some places (credit karma) that if I only charged the $100 to say a $600 card than it would report at ~15% utilization being above the 10% threshold.

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Re: FICO AMA Discussion Thread


@CH-7-Mission-Accomplished wrote:

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@Hutchman92 wrote:

I'm confused on this one. I was always told to let 1% report. Is this inncorrect and it should be 9%?


@Hutchman92 depends on how technical you want to get & for which version. However, in my opinion, if you would like to be able to optimize all fico versions currently in use:

 

have less than $100 report on one bankcard with a credit limit of less than $31,000. Of course there may be many other things you can do to increase your score.


I don't understand the 31K max limit for the one reporting revolver.   I have two 50K revolvers, (Cap 1 and Navy) and if I let either of them report a $5 balance they work fine.  No points lost.   What is with this 31K idea???


@CH-7-Mission-Accomplished On 8/9, no difference, but on 5/4/2, yes, there is a cutoff above which revolvers do not count in revolving balance and utilization metrics, such that you'll get the AZ loss if you use one for AZEO on 5/4/2.

 

so it appears CLs of $35,000 or higher are excluded from 5/4/3 and the line for score 2 is somewhere between $31,000 & $34,900.

 

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Re: FICO AMA Discussion Thread


@Hutchman92 wrote:

So a quick question as my brain tries to retain your educational post. In regards to the ideal credit utilization metric for revolving accounts. I gather that it's between 1-9.4%, two questions: does 1% balance differ in any way than 8% in terms of scoring? Also, is this an account by account scenario or ONLy aggregate of revoking accounts. Example could I let 6 out of 7 cards report 0 balance but have 1 card report 1-9.4% of the total convinced revolving account limits? I could easily charge 1% to each card but it may be easier to leave all at 0% and just charge under $100 to one card, but I noticed in some places (credit karma) that if I only charged the $100 to say a $600 card than it would report at ~15% utilization being above the 10% threshold.


@Hutchman92 and then I fell asleep LOL!

 

No, ideal utilization is between 0% - 4.4%, aggregate revolving utilization.  

 

Highest Individual Revolving Utilization is also considered, as well as number of AWB (accounts with a balance), so you don't want any individual cards with high individual Utilization and you do not want multiple cards with a balance.


People forget about 0% because they think that's a loss, but the loss comes from the aggregate revolving balance being $0, not 0% utilization. Likewise some scorecards do have a 5% threshold.

Message 14 of 31
SouthJamaica
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Re: Utilization question


@Hutchman92 wrote:

I'm confused on this one. I was always told to let 1% report. Is this inncorrect and it should be 9%?


For overall revolving utilization, the lower it is, the better. So 1% is even better than 9%.

 

For individual account utilization the most important metrics are to be under 28%, and to have most accounts reporting at zero.

 

If you were to have 1 account reporting at 9% or less, and all other accounts reporting at zero, you would be totally optimized for revolving utilization across all scoring models.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Re: Utilization question


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@Hutchman92 wrote:

I'm confused on this one. I was always told to let 1% report. Is this inncorrect and it should be 9%?


For overall revolving utilization, the lower it is, the better. So 1% is even better than 9%.

 

For individual account utilization the most important metrics are to be under 28%, and to have most accounts reporting at zero.

 

If you were to have 1 account reporting at 9% or less, and all other accounts reporting at zero, you would be totally optimized for revolving utilization across all scoring models.


@SouthJamaica I respectfully disagree as there is a threshold requiring all individual and aggregate be under 5% and more importantly, (Edited.) some versions have a balance threshold under $150. So while there may be no difference in 0% and 4% utilization, the difference in balance may very well make a difference. 

Message 16 of 31
Hutchman92
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Re: Utilization question

So is this done on a monthly basis? Meaning that some cards report on the 5th and other cards report on the 21st. So perhaps if my cards that reports early in the month have 0 balance and I lose a few points they will likely come back when my other cards report under 5% later in the month?

in regards to the $150 threshold on some scoring Models, is that all revolving account combined? So ideally I should be 1-4% and $150 reporting monthly?

I read your post on this but would like some clarification in regards to closed accounts, charge off and collections. I have one collection (port recov)for $252 from a secured cap one card years ago. I also have a 2x first prem, 1x milestone, 1x fingerhut, 1x BofA all with higher post balances than original limit. Luckily only 3 are still updated regularly. So I understand the updated ones will still hurt my payment history as time period of delinquency is still growing but in regards to revolving limit are these calculated currently in my total dollar balance and in my utilization?

Would it be wise to try and change my date on all to the same date so statement so everything reports together? 

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Re: Utilization question


@Hutchman92 wrote:

So is this done on a monthly basis? Meaning that some cards report on the 5th and other cards report on the 21st. So perhaps if my cards that reports early in the month have 0 balance and I lose a few points they will likely come back when my other cards report under 5% later in the month?

in regards to the $150 threshold on some scoring Models, is that all revolving account combined? So ideally I should be 1-4% and $150 reporting monthly?

I read your post on this but would like some clarification in regards to closed accounts, charge off and collections. I have one collection (port recov)for $252 from a secured cap one card years ago. I also have a 2x first prem, 1x milestone, 1x fingerhut, 1x BofA all with higher post balances than original limit. Luckily only 3 are still updated regularly. So I understand the updated ones will still hurt my payment history as time period of delinquency is still growing but in regards to revolving limit are these calculated currently in my total dollar balance and in my utilization?

Would it be wise to try and change my date on all to the same date so statement so everything reports together? 


@Hutchman92 yes this happens every month for every card and that's why it's only worth doing when you need to squeeze out every point for a credit application, imho. Some people it helps to move the due date or closing dates. 

you're not gonna lose points from Cards reporting zeros unless it's all of them simultaneously. (Primary/AU on 8/9.)

 

If cards report reduced amounts, that can result in increases. The threshold is actually under $150 it is believed and that is only on score 2. Yes it's in the aggregate, the total of all revolving tradelines reporting Balances. That's what I'm trying to tell you, you only want one bankcard reporting a balance, preferably under $100! No, ideally 0% - <4.5%, as some scorecards have a 5% threshold.

 

as far as collections go, paying makes no difference, you have to have them removed to help scorewise. They are not affecting utilization. 

Chargeoffs typically affect balance & utilization for two years from the date of last update, it appears. So, if it's regularly updating, it will not only increase TPOD (total period of delinquency) in payment history metrics (which serves to continually suppress your score), but also affect balance & utilization metrics as well.

 

Double whammy, killing you through payment history and amounts owed. You might want to deal with those that are regularly reporting if they're not falling off soon. Js. Smiley Sad 


closed accounts in good standing should be calculated in revolving utilization and balance metrics while they have a balance. 

 

if you want to give me more details about what's closed, whats charged off and what's a collection, we might be able to give you more details like certain collections you can do PFDs, certain ones you just have to let them age off. 

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Re: Utilization question

@Hutchman92 oh yeah I forgot your question about moving your closing dates or due dates. That really depends on if you plan on doing this long term and it will make it easier for you? 

 

some people find that makes life a lot easier and for others it doesn't really matter so it just depends on if you think it will help you and if you plan on doing this for a while. 

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