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Utilization vs. Paying in Full

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Anonymous
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Re: Utilization vs. Paying in Full

Almost everyone is trying to GROW their scores. Paying everything grows your credit as an entirety just the same.
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iced
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Re: Utilization vs. Paying in Full


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@iced wrote:

I PIF every month and have a balance report, so why not just do both?

 

As an example, on one card I'll run about $3,000 a month through it, spread over the course of the month. Come statement time, I'll have a statement balance of around $3,000 and a balance of about $4,500. I pay the $3,000 statement balance so I don't accrue any interest and continue on my way. By the time the next statement closes, the balance has gone from about $1,500 to $3,000 and I repeat the cycle. I never pay interest and I show a balance at the same time.

 

That said, I'm not sure having balances report is doing jack for my score since I'm told (via this forum) that FICO ignores utilization on my two primary cards, though I do see a fluctuation of 3-4 points any given month (though this may be due to overall utilizaton rather than utilization on individual cards).


Not sure what your "primary" cards are but, almost all store cards are revolvers as are credit cards. These should factor into revolving utilization [unless you have AU status - then they may or may not count]. Of course, AMEX charge cards (1 month payment term) are not revolvers even if they show in that category on reports.

 

The amount of balance you allow to report on credit cards relative to credit limits are factors in Fico scoring. As a general rule for best score potential it is advisable to:

1) Keep reported utilization on individual cards under 30%. 

2) Keep aggregate utilization (all cards combined) under 9%.

 

If the CL of the card in the above example is $6000 and you allow $3100 to report, the card utilization is above 50%. This could be costing you some points relative to reporting a $2900 balance (below 50% utilization). Now if you have 4 cards and a total CL of $30k you would want total of statement balances to be less than $2700 (9%) for best scoring result relative to the aggregate utilization factor..


The information I received was that if the CL of the card is $50,000 or higher, FICO ignores its individual utilization and the balance reported only factors toward total utilization. This information, being learned via the interwebs, could be wrong. I imagine that, as you point out, NPSL cards also fall into this bucket. This particular aspect is only applicable to some people, of course.

 

The statement that you can PIF and still carry a balance is applicable to almost everyone.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Utilization vs. Paying in Full

My understanding is credit cards having CLs above $50k are ignored as an account in revolving credit utilization. However, I take ignored as meaning "not looked at" so it would not contribute to aggregate utilization either. I don't have a credit card in that category so I can't test myself.

 

I do know my NPSL charge card does not contribute to the aggregate calculation.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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