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Good observation on convenience store robbery. Where will you be in 2.5 years if you do it now? I had to laugh because it seems so true. A bad credit score is a little bit like a jail, although absent the obvious rules that allow you to get out.
I’ve been monitoring my Equifax FICO through credit watch because I intend to refinance a property. I was slammed by a divorce and subsequent bad finances for the last 5 years or so. This included many payments that were 120 days late on a mortgage leading to, but just skirting foreclosure last year.
I came into some money recently from an inheritance, which allowed me to pay off revolving accounts. In June of last year, I had a total of about $16k outstanding (utilization about 90%) on revolving accounts and an EQ FICO score of 627. I paid off these accounts 4 months later in October when the inheritance came in and, without any other changes, my score went up to 681, a 54 point improvement due only to that payoff.
Since then I’ve learned a little bit about how EQ treats revolving accounts. FICO hates revolving accounts. However, they like to see 3 active accounts, 2 of them with zero balance, and one with a small balance, under $100 but not $0.
So from my experience, your best chance for a better score is to get rid of the revolving credit. Although youare at different utilization level than I was, I can see significant score changes, maybe as much as 38 on the payoff. Yours of the 24th says that you have utilization at 28% of about $5k available, somewhere south of $1,400 if your math is correct. This would have seemed like a million bucks to me a few months ago. But if you have the ability to pay this off it may help immensely. Say you have a vehicle of some value and can get a loan through a friendly institution and use it to pay off revolving accounts, this would re-balance the debt into a installment category, which FICO likes much better. (The hard pull of credit score will ding your credit by a few points, so don’t let them draw it until they agree that you can have the loan at your current score level) . Or maybe you could beg and borrow from friends or family, or sell something --- or consider the convenience store thing. ( After all, you have about a 50% chance of not being caught if you are careful.)
The other thing I did was challenge one issue on my report. When a mortgage account was transferred from one institution to another, it was left in a 30-day late status, seemingly forever, which showed up on my summary, when all other accounts were paid as agreed. I had to challenge Equifax twice to correct it. The successful challenge was good for another 21 point increase in my score.
Your challenge is probably a little different but you should make the insistent case with all three bureaus that the account is “paid as agreed”. Anything less than this harms you.
I used the following language in my second challenge to Equifax:
“At this time I am seeking to refinance my property and it is important for me to have a credit score that accurately reflects my current status. Even small changes as may result from your more accurate reporting can have great consequences in the amount of interest charged over the life of this new loan.”
This carried the undertone of defamation of character, which is often the basis for legal challenges of errant credit scores.
Good luck….
Thanks for the reply. I found some type of "scenario analyzer" on this website when I got my credit scores last week. I tested out the scenario to pay down my revolving credit, and it output that I'd gain 38 points. Just seemed crazy that something so relatively straight forward would help me out more than all the hoop jumping and drama of trying to deal with the big 3 and Sallie Mae on corrections. It didn't sound right at the time, but from what you wrote, I guess Fico puts a lot of weight on that factor. It's just such a seemingly insane tug of war, where on one end you need to show utilization, but on the other end you can't actually use your credit when in a position like me (under $5k total limit over 2 cards). If I were to have the ideal 10% utilization, that means that despite having $5k credit limit, I'm expected to only use $500. worth in order to stay within the good graces of the big 3. That's $250. per card, which is pretty useless in real world spending. I'd rather just spend the cash at that point. I'll still follow best practices in hope for raising my limits.
Anyway, I guess I'm just venting now instead of actually asking questions. I have actually paid down my revolving to a $600 balance since seeing the potential gain from lowering utilization. I can probably wrap that up in the next month or so as well.
Good. I hope you'll post the FICO results here when you get to near 0.
There was once a chart posted on this site, not sure where, but apparently it showed a FICO illustration that was not authorized. I never saw the chart because it was taken down before I got there, but I saw the comments regarding it and copied them: The following commentary was left at the post:
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The chart shows maximum score points when "Average balance on revolving trades" is between $1 and $99. This confirms what numerous posters on this board have found, that their score was highest when one credit card reported a balance that was small but greater than 0.
The chart shows maximum score points being received with 3 credit cards. A 4th card causes a loss of 10 points.
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So, I think the target of 10% utilization is off ( I haven't tried that level so I can't speak to it personally.) What I do know is paying off my 3 active cards from 90% to near 0 got me 51 points. 2 Cards paid and one with a balance under $100 yielded the maximum points so far. All 3 cards paid was a 2-point penalty from the max. 2 cards each with very small balance ( < $50 total), and the other paid was a 4 point penalty.
YOu probably know that the score is usually based on the balance at the end of the billing cycle, which is the amount shown on your bill . So I use the cards any way I want. If I need them to be at 0, I make sure to make a payment for the full balance so that the payment clears at the creditor before the end of the billing cycle.
As long as you're in a position to pay off the cards when you need, you can use them in between. The turn around between the credit card statement and the bureau is a few days, certainly less than a week, Additionally, at least some CCs will report a balance "off-cycle" at your request. Discover did this for me last week when I accidentally left $6.00 on the card. I paid off the 6 bucks, and requested the off-cycle release. Within a few days the balance was adjusted at equifax and I regained the 4 points that were lost. Discover didn't charge anything for this service.
I paid an installment (home equity) account down too, just a little later, taking it from nearly $50k to about $12k That huge payment made almost no difference in my score.
So use the cards, but tighten up the balances when you need the score. It looks like you are close to being in the happy position to do this.
Venting is good, way better than trying to hold it all in. Be a little patient too. Hopefully you've found the quick way to a better score.
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