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Does dramatically lowering utilization immediately increase credit scores, across the models?
Or does the fact that you leveraged up ever at all keep your score lower.
You will see a score increase across quite a few models, utilization decreases are the fastest way to raise Fico score.
The Fico score pie thats devoted to revolving utilization is 30% of your score. Fico calculates it overall, on each card and on how many of your cards have balances it also looks for individual cards that are maxed out (have a balance greater than 89% of the cards limit). Paying down your maxed out card first is advisable and then start paying off the cards until you only have 1 reporting a small balance no greater than 9% of its individual CL. You will have to experiment with the balance on that one card to find your sweet spot, everyone has a diff percentage between 1-9% that yields the greatest score possible. One other thing on utilization is this, there are buckets in Fico, carrying high utilization over long periods of time gets you bucketed in a lower scoring bucket, when you pay off the cards and get down to the one reporting it will take some time for you to get the most points possible as you have to be able to maintain that low utilization before Fico rebuckets you upward into a higher scoring bucket. In general you dont want a card to ever report more than 30% of its available credit to the CRAs.
@gen-specific wrote:Does dramatically lowering utilization immediately increase credit scores, across the models?
Or does the fact that you leveraged up ever at all keep your score lower.
Are you currently at "high utilization" on any cards? Your scores around 780 seem to say no.
Are you expecting to see high utilization for a while?
@NRB525 wrote:
@gen-specific wrote:Does dramatically lowering utilization immediately increase credit scores, across the models?
Or does the fact that you leveraged up ever at all keep your score lower.
Are you currently at "high utilization" on any cards? Your scores around 780 seem to say no.
Are you expecting to see high utilization for a while?
yes, I have some other threads detailing this. I haven't updated my sig.
I moved utilization up to 11% and my score dropped 100 points on Vantage Score 3, I also apped and got a letter in the mail saying my fico score from one of the companies was also down to a similar range as what the Vantage score reports.
It is an interesting chronicle, knowing that I can manipulate my credit score at will to the tune of 100-200 points. This allows me to use my credit score itself like currency, that I can replenish fictionally when I want to impress somebody, and immediately turn around and use the credit rather indiscriminently after wards. If I want a bigger apartment and a landlord needs to check my credit, I'll put balances back, if I want lower interest rates I'll put balances back, if I want something lavish I'll spend on credit for the points, and take a couple free flights the next month.
This is largely inconsequential because my credit use doesn't affect my ability to repay, so I can just do this, as long as I remain conscious of how certain numbers are percevied, and manipulate them accordingly.
Ok, that's fun I guess, but it's Vantage, not FICO, right?
What are your scores from MyFICO?
edit: Yeah, I could see how swinging about $25k up or down on your open balances from one month to the next month would cause a 100 point shift. That's a lot of shock to the scoring models. Forget the utilization percentages, it's just a lot of money to move.
@NRB525 wrote:Ok, that's fun I guess, but it's Vantage, not FICO, right?
What are your scores from MyFICO?
edit: Yeah, I could see how swinging about $25k up or down on your open balances from one month to the next month would cause a 100 point shift. That's a lot of shock to the scoring models. Forget the utilization percentages, it's just a lot of money to move.
hey! I actually don't know!
Like I said I have also app'd and I got the stuff in the mail (approval letters) that also showed my score from the credit bureau they pulled. In every instance they were very similar to the Vantage Scores that I see on Credit Karma
The letter didn't say "*not FICO" it didn't say "*Vantage" it just said "Your Transunion score was 663" over 100 points lower than a few months ago.
The "just a lot of money to move" is counter to the scoring models we all use, all of us on this website. This is purely anecdotal. The only risk alarm bells that should go off are with the individual institutions that use their own risk matrices.
If this is a short circuit to credit scores then maybe it is something worth chronicling here, in case someone is seeking a large purchase for points or something or if they need to consider funding sources for bail bond or lawyers.
Where is your TU 780 score from?
Edit: Actually, anyone who is running that kind of spend through their account in the interest of generating points is already planning to pay the amount off before the statement cuts, to avoid such a hit to their FICO score. The wild swings in the score simply prove that the score adjusts rapidly to large changes in value, not that it is a good strategy.
Letting that level of change in your FICO get rolled through as a SP inquiry is risky, because many of your existing CCC do a regular SP, and that kind of a drop in FICO, that kind of a spike in dollars outstanding, could lead to AA. Chase, US Bank, Barclays and others have already shown they don't like shocks to the information they see in their cardholders reports, and will take action if their automated scoring model freaks out because of it. Not that they always do, but they certainly can.
@Anonymous wrote:
I lowered my utilization by $1500 and my TU score dropped 6pts. Why? I was so proud of myself. 1st time I've ever paid a CC in full w/out being charged interest and my score gets dinged. I know it's only 6 points. Just odd
It's because you had grits instead of oats for breakfast....stick with oats. lol.
Forgive me, it's an inside joke that I've been having with myself. Point is, there's no rhyme or reason to this nonsense.
It depends on where your utilization is at currently, I mean if your at 15% and you drop to 7% I don't expect a big jump.
But now if your at like 80% and you drop it to 7% then I would expect to see a ~50 point jump!