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dunn2500
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system is flawed

i refinanced an auto loan and when both loans showed up i dropped 20 pts.....so obviously one loan shows paid a few weeks later  and score dropped another 20pts.....so **bleep**, seems you cant win.....and before that i applied for credit cards and was turned down on all 3 and my score went up.....i only have 1 credit card and an auto loan so there wasnt other factors at play on inquiries

 

sure it will change in a month or 2 but **bleep** still.....gain a balance pts go down, pay it off pts go down....algorithm they use isnt consistent

 

FYI same thing happened on silverado 1500 and 2500....traded one in for other but 2 loans showed up until reported change only showed 1 again....and my pts shot up that time, but this time it went way down....same scenario, pay off 1 loan and start another with 2 seperate outcomes...

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Slabenstein
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Re: system is flawed

On which FICO score version for which bureau did you see these changes?  For your score dropping twice after refinancing your auto, that wouldn't be unexpected behavior.  For your initial drop when the old and new loans were both reporting, your AAoA would have decreased by some amount, your agg b:l would have increased by some amount, and you would possibly have had a new inquiry to that bureau.  When the old loan reported as closed, your agg b:l would have increased again.  Ofc there may have been other changes unrelated to the new installment which could also have had an effect.  Similarly, the score increase you saw after your cc apps was unrelated to the HP's you took.  If you want to post the details of your profile before and after the score changes, we can help you look for a more complete answer.  The relation between a consumer's credit behavior and their credit score isn't simplistic and can seem inscrutable for those of us that don't work at FICO, but there's a lot that people here have figured out about score 8.  If you want to better understand what drives the changes you see in your profile, there really isn't a better resource in the internet than these forums.


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dunn2500
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Re: system is flawed

all 3 i took a hit on and about same across the board...yeah i agree these forums help out alot......i only have one credit card paid same way and the auto and on fico when your score drops they give you the reason on why on the alert section.....incresead debt it went down than decrease the debt it goes down.....original loan is only few months old so it just seems a bit harsh to drop big pts on something everyone does like refinancing and i refinanced within 5 months of original loan start date......sure it will go back up over time... 

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dunn2500
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Re: system is flawed

good thing is i dont plan on getting anything else anytime soon so it should be fine by the time i do need something.....

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Anonymous
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Re: system is flawed


@dunn2500 wrote:

on fico when your score drops they give you the reason on why on the alert section.....incresead debt it went down than decrease the debt it goes down.....


This is an incorrect assumption above.  When you receive an alert it is letting you know about something that changed on your credit report.  At that time you are provided with a new score.  Any score change seen at that time does not have to be related to the alert reason at all.  It's common to assume they are connected, but important to realize that they don't have to be.

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AndySoCal
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Re: system is flawed

Is the date opened on the refinanced account the same as the date open on the original account?

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Anonymous
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Re: system is flawed

A refi is a new loan (often with a new lender) so the account opened date on the refi shouldn't be the same as the date the original loan was opened. 

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909
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Re: system is flawed

You're 100% correct, the system reveals plenty of behaviors that appear to be flawed to many rational thinkers. But I don't think the system ever claimed that it would behave reasonably. It's just a system created by humans and it does dumb things sometimes and our credit scores change as a result. 

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dunn2500
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Re: system is flawed


@Anonymous wrote:

@dunn2500 wrote:

on fico when your score drops they give you the reason on why on the alert section.....incresead debt it went down than decrease the debt it goes down.....


This is an incorrect assumption above.  When you receive an alert it is letting you know about something that changed on your credit report.  At that time you are provided with a new score.  Any score change seen at that time does not have to be related to the alert reason at all.  It's common to assume they are connected, but important to realize that they don't have to be.


says the reason and right next to it on a small icon it shows how many pts it went up or down  as a result of that notification.....it sure looks like its connected...i.e " the total balance has increased by $44,000"  arrow down 21pts

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dunn2500
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Re: system is flawed


@Anonymous wrote:

A refi is a new loan (often with a new lender) so the account opened date on the refi shouldn't be the same as the date the original loan was opened. 


that is correct but its same loan, it just takes a minute for original to fall off so there is an overlap showing 2 loans on same vehicle though it doesnt appear that way.....it appears as if i have 88k in car loans which isnt correct......just seems like they would recognize this as it has been standard practice to refinance loans since beginning of time, lol

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