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She is the sole owner of the car. She got the loan because he couldn't even with a co-signer. She was thinking of drawing up a contract as someone has contacted her to let them make the payments for the next three years until it is paid off. They can make the payments either to her or to her bank. That being said... she found contacts of when this has happened and was going to use one of those as an example to draw a contract up where the new person would be responsible for everything on the car and would have to carry insurance for the car. The insurance she has already looked into, and there are two options for the person who would like to take over the payments. I was just wondering if anyone had any expereince with this. The car loan is new so they kind of owe more than it is worth right now. Blue book is 12k and they owe 13k. Sadly, she has all the responsibility and almost any choice she makes is going to affect her credit in some way. She's just hoping to find the best way out now. Othwerwise we will have to let the car be repo. I've been helping make the payments, but neither she nor I can afford that long term. The only other option is to turn the car in. There is no reason to turn over good money trying to wait and sell a car she may not be able to for the next several months and put her and I in distress. Money I am giving should be going into my IRA and savings. Money she is giving is money that should be paying her school fees. We can withstand for a while but not too much longer.
Turning the car in u will still have a repo on ur record.. Regardless not going to be good for her.. Letting someone drive car and pay the loan?? Does she really wanna go down that road again?? I mean if person doesn't pay for loan ur stuck with it again.. Why is person willing to pay for loan but not willing to take it in his or her own name?? How much trust does ur sister have in this person to maintain payment on vehicle and insurance on vehicle.. She can do it if she trust person enough to maintain insurance on vehicle.. Just make sure whoever she trust and is willing to allow them to pay month to month.. If she is I would suggest she make sure the person buy full coverage insurance for vehicle.. Make sure insurance is paid full 6 months in advance and not month to month.. Or if ur sister buy the insurance the person driving car doesn't have same address as ur sister and car will be cover. Any way is a lot better than having a repo on her credit since she's in law school she will have a hard time getting hire at a law firm when done with school
I would be very careful with allowing someone to use the vehicle.
Understanding your Sister is an attorney or soon to be, writing a contract to "sublet" the vehicle is much different with this type of collateral.
This could be a setup for a major disaster down the road.
How would the vehicle appear registered to the State?
Usually States' DMVs will not allow a title change while a lien is in place.
Does the State the vehicle is registered in require Insurance coverage to be provided by the registered owner in accordance to the law?
How will the current lender feel about their collateral in the posession of someone who is not legally obligated to them in any way?
Your Sister has legal obligations to the current lender to insure and register the collateral in the manner the contact states so long as their lien is on the title.
Honestly, this car needs to be sold.
There are numerous ways to get this done. AutoTrader, Cars.com Craigslist, Carmax... the supermarket parking lot.
Yes best way is to sell it and pay out of own pocket of difference... Or not sure what payment is now per month.. Maybe refi it and do a 84 months payment loan so each month payment is small but for the brother in law to just walk out a loan like that suck ass.. Is it an ex brother in law??
@Anonymous wrote:She is the sole owner of the car. She got the loan because he couldn't even with a co-signer. She was thinking of drawing up a contract as someone has contacted her to let them make the payments for the next three years until it is paid off. They can make the payments either to her or to her bank. That being said... she found contacts of when this has happened and was going to use one of those as an example to draw a contract up where the new person would be responsible for everything on the car and would have to carry insurance for the car. The insurance she has already looked into, and there are two options for the person who would like to take over the payments. I was just wondering if anyone had any expereince with this. The car loan is new so they kind of owe more than it is worth right now. Blue book is 12k and they owe 13k. Sadly, she has all the responsibility and almost any choice she makes is going to affect her credit in some way. She's just hoping to find the best way out now. Othwerwise we will have to let the car be repo. I've been helping make the payments, but neither she nor I can afford that long term. The only other option is to turn the car in. There is no reason to turn over good money trying to wait and sell a car she may not be able to for the next several months and put her and I in distress. Money I am giving should be going into my IRA and savings. Money she is giving is money that should be paying her school fees. We can withstand for a while but not too much longer.
^^^It wouldn't be several months. That's why I an others suggested CARMAX (or something similar). You take it in and get it sold the same day. They pay off the lien. If your estimate is right and she gets $12k but owes $13k, she has to bring in the difference which is $1000. This way the loan is paid positively. It is paid off. The registration is changed from her to CARMAX and then she has zero liability for this vehicle. It really is the cheapest way to go AND IT CAN BE DONE IN ONE DAY. Even if they only pay $11k rather than $12k her total cash out of pocket is only $2k. Is there gap or warranty on the vehicle? If so, cancel it and get the refund credited to the balance to reduce the negative equity. This can be done easily.
This is a whole lot cheaper than making payments. Also much less risky than the idea of a stranger "making payments". Lots of scams out there where the person that agreed to make the payments disappears with the vehicle and no payments are made - then she is really in hot water. Look at the huge liability of an accident or theft or something else. Don't do it. It reeks of scam.
Edit: One more thing: if she has to bring $1k or $2k (or even more) to get this vehicle sold without a repo it is much less expensive than taking the repo hit. If she turns it in then not only will they sell it for next to nothing - she still owes the balance on the loan + repo fees + default fees + default interest + judgment interest (because they will get a judgment) and it will cost many, many thousands.
Then on top of that, her credit takes a dive as a result of the repo and everything else costs more (her insurance for one) and she puts her job in jeopardy. Have you ever heard the term "cut your losses"? That is what she would be doing by selling the vehicle to Carmax or some similar type company. Not talking about a trade in, just selling it. I say Carmax because they offer more than most dealerships. I know. I've used them a couple of times when I didn't feel like selling it on my own. It is at least worth checking the figures out with them.
Starting Over is spot on with this situation.
First of all, hopefully your sister has taken possession of the vehicle from her brother-in-law. Second, insurance rates are partially based on the address of the insured. Also too the lender must have required some proof of residence in case involuntary repossession is necessary.
To keep struggling to make the car payments... even paying a little extra is not a very good idea, if your sister is underwater in the car, it will still depreciate as time goes on.
As others have suggested, I wouid go to CarMax and get an estimate at least to see how much negative equity is in the car.
Best of luck to your sister OP! Sometimes I don't get people and their selfishness!
We checked into carmax and there isn't one close to us by hours. We also checked into their equivlant in our area. The two choices are auction like businesses. Neither would buy the truck from her. They are only willing to auction it and that could leave her owing very little to thousands depending on the auction and with it being close to the holidays the guy there said that trucks are selling as high right now.
As for the guy who wants to take over payments.... no we don't persay trust him. We don't know him. He contacted us after seeing the for sale sign on the truck. Our options are very limited with each new discovery. We do have a contract made, but she and I are both on the fence about it. The contract does state that he would have to carry 50/100/50 full coverage insurance. Pay the payment and give her and extra 100 per month to put into an account for car repairs incase something was to happen after the loan is paid off... she will return the money to him. We have had extensive contact with him and he is in agreement with this. Ran his credit through the law professor's firm. They do that sort of thing. And done background checks in the local court systems to see if there is anything pending. He comes back clean. He said he lost his job a few years back and is just getting back on his feet. Trucks were out of his price range right now to gert financing, so he thought he ask her. Her professor helped draw up a contract and has been advising her also from their professional stand point. I am a doctor so these kinds of issues I guess wouldn't haunt me like the will her. We found out he can get non owners full coverage insurance so we explained that to him. We also found out that he can simply ad the truck to his exsisting car policy. His wife drives that to work and they can't share because the hours don't co-exsist. He'd been hitchening a cab but where he lives... there is no bus lines and the cab is cost 50 bucks a day.
She has spoke to the bank who has said that they won't come after her for any difference. They are suppose to put that in writing and send it to her. Since the loan was "in house" through the Ford Dealership... she thought she would call and speak with them. They didn't say if this would be reported as a repo as they would have to check and get back to her but she did ask. This is apparently a program they just started. We are waiting to hear back. In our state the things fall off after 5 years. So, she would be in school for another 2.5 and then would just have to point out to people what had happened if anyone asks. The fact she had two loans at the same time within two months of each other, according to other attorneys, will help show that her story is true. However if the dealership simply takes it back and doesn't add anything against her credit... she is golden and that is what we will go with when we know for sure.
In general this was just bad all around. This has affected her relationship with her in-laws and her husband. She feels like they all lied to her when they told her he was a great guy who feel on hard times only to find out he had done this to all of them. She's been staying at my house cause she said if her husband would lie about this to her then what else would he lie about? I know my husband is peeved and he had acutally gotten the paperwork to take a small loan from his 401K so we wouldn't have to raid the savings and they payments would be stretched over 5 years and no one is financing anything. I am beyond words. My husband has been more supportive than hers and hers made the mess. My parents financed a car for each of us when we started college and neither one of us would have dreamed to do this to them. I think that is why she did this without thinking much about it. I know she mentioned to me before she did.... but.... There were a few payments throughout the loan my parents took for me while I was in med school that I asked for help on, but I by no means let it affect them. I always knew I would be short and would call my parents and tell them I was having trouble on the next payment and asked if they could help. They always did and I made sure to say thank you somehow by taking mom out for dinner or getting cheap theater tickets for them. They always knew we wouldn't screw them. Her husband has been trying to call her but she told him she doesn't want to talk to him and won't be spending the holidays with him or his family. She has four more weeks of school this semester and she says she is just ignoring them until then.
Thanks everyone for the advice so far. It was very helpful even if we couldn't use it
@Anonymous wrote:We checked into carmax and there isn't one close to us by hours. We also checked into their equivlant in our area. The two choices are auction like businesses. Neither would buy the truck from her. They are only willing to auction it and that could leave her owing very little to thousands depending on the auction and with it being close to the holidays the guy there said that trucks are selling as high right now.
As for the guy who wants to take over payments.... no we don't persay trust him. We don't know him. He contacted us after seeing the for sale sign on the truck. Our options are very limited with each new discovery. We do have a contract made, but she and I are both on the fence about it. The contract does state that he would have to carry 50/100/50 full coverage insurance. Pay the payment and give her and extra 100 per month to put into an account for car repairs incase something was to happen after the loan is paid off... she will return the money to him. We have had extensive contact with him and he is in agreement with this. Ran his credit through the law professor's firm. They do that sort of thing. And done background checks in the local court systems to see if there is anything pending. He comes back clean. He said he lost his job a few years back and is just getting back on his feet. Trucks were out of his price range right now to gert financing, so he thought he ask her. Her professor helped draw up a contract and has been advising her also from their professional stand point. I am a doctor so these kinds of issues I guess wouldn't haunt me like the will her. We found out he can get non owners full coverage insurance so we explained that to him. We also found out that he can simply ad the truck to his exsisting car policy. His wife drives that to work and they can't share because the hours don't co-exsist. He'd been hitchening a cab but where he lives... there is no bus lines and the cab is cost 50 bucks a day.
She has spoke to the bank who has said that they won't come after her for any difference. They are suppose to put that in writing and send it to her. Since the loan was "in house" through the Ford Dealership... she thought she would call and speak with them. They didn't say if this would be reported as a repo as they would have to check and get back to her but she did ask. This is apparently a program they just started. We are waiting to hear back. In our state the things fall off after 5 years. So, she would be in school for another 2.5 and then would just have to point out to people what had happened if anyone asks. The fact she had two loans at the same time within two months of each other, according to other attorneys, will help show that her story is true. However if the dealership simply takes it back and doesn't add anything against her credit... she is golden and that is what we will go with when we know for sure.
In general this was just bad all around. This has affected her relationship with her in-laws and her husband. She feels like they all lied to her when they told her he was a great guy who feel on hard times only to find out he had done this to all of them. She's been staying at my house cause she said if her husband would lie about this to her then what else would he lie about? I know my husband is peeved and he had acutally gotten the paperwork to take a small loan from his 401K so we wouldn't have to raid the savings and they payments would be stretched over 5 years and no one is financing anything. I am beyond words. My husband has been more supportive than hers and hers made the mess. My parents financed a car for each of us when we started college and neither one of us would have dreamed to do this to them. I think that is why she did this without thinking much about it. I know she mentioned to me before she did.... but.... There were a few payments throughout the loan my parents took for me while I was in med school that I asked for help on, but I by no means let it affect them. I always knew I would be short and would call my parents and tell them I was having trouble on the next payment and asked if they could help. They always did and I made sure to say thank you somehow by taking mom out for dinner or getting cheap theater tickets for them. They always knew we wouldn't screw them. Her husband has been trying to call her but she told him she doesn't want to talk to him and won't be spending the holidays with him or his family. She has four more weeks of school this semester and she says she is just ignoring them until then.
Thanks everyone for the advice so far. It was very helpful even if we couldn't use it
Not sure if u can trust someone u don't know.. I believe though no one is out to burn someone.. If do.. Does ur sister own a house?? If so, If I were her I'll buy the insurance myself and add it to the bill and have the person pay a security deposit and 2 months of payment and insurance in advance if he say he can't do it I would skip it
Another advise... Never co-sign for anyone unless ur ready and able to make payment for it urself.. I mean probably not trying to burn ppl on purpose but sometime **bleep** happens to ppl income and if they can't pay for it they can't