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I am getting closer to wanting to get a first auto loan - maybe in a month. I wanted to find out what I would be qualified for - rates and loan periods. I asked my Wells Fargo banker guy a little while ago and he started asking me about what type of car (new/not, model, etc.). He gave me a spread of rates for a hypothetical scenario.
Before selecting a make/model, I would like to be prepared in my mind with costs and budget. It is really counter-intuitive for me to first select the car and then think about the financing aspect.
How can I figure out what I might be qualified for? Also, given that I haven't had any type of installment loan before, I am unsure what an auto enhanced FICO might look like - or if one could even be generated without that info. I am supposing if they generate one, it won't be pretty just based on the lack of installment loans. How can I know? I already have the FICO scores from myFICO.com.
Depends on your current scores, and how long your credit history is. In some cases without mortgage/auto/personal installment loan, an Auto-Enhanced pull for a first-time buyer can be 50+ points lower than the standard Classic scores found here. Anecdotally according to a finance manager who frequents this forum, Student Loans don't count as much, and personal loans are a little unknown too.
Really for auto-financing it only comes down to 3 things:
- Income and Downpayment determine how much loan you can get
- FICO (auto-enhanced or otherwise) determines your APR, with a lesser focus on how much DP you actually need seemingly.
Don't look at it from the standpoint of what you're qualified for, figure out what you can afford instead and then start working from there.
Thanks for the reply, Revelate.
What I can afford vs. what I am qualified for: aren't these kind of closely intertwined?
The way I was thinking was that I don't really want to look at, say, a $20k car, if I am not going to like the total financing package offered to me in the end. I figured I want to know in advance what price range was comfortably affordable and available to me and then I could look at cars within that range. I'm not sure if this is kind of what you were suggesting or if there's a fine difference between what you are saying and what I was thinking.
I don't think I have trouble in affordability - I have a high-ish income, I can make large downpayments and have no running debts apart from everyday CC expenses which I pay in full. But I could still have a low auto-enhanced FICO leading to a financing package which is less than favorable (if the score is, say, 50 or more points lower).
Am I thinking this all wrong? I probably am as I haven't done this before.
Based on what you said, I have a follow-up question. Would I get the same APR regardless of the loan amount? All else equal (including time period), does 10k vs. 20k get same or different APRs?
@Mailak wrote:
What I can afford vs. what I am qualified for: aren't these kind of closely intertwined?
Not in every case. At least in my personal experience. I have qualified for several cars in the past that I really couldn't afford. But it sounds like that will not apply to you.
For what it's worth I don't think you will even have an auto enhanced score. If you read about FICO Auto Enhanced Scores you'll see that you have to have a history of previous car loans reporting before an auto enhanced score can be generated.
But I could be wrong about that. I have been known to be slightly less than correct in the past.
@MarineVietVet wrote:
@Mailak wrote:
What I can afford vs. what I am qualified for: aren't these kind of closely intertwined?
Not in every case. At least in my personal experience. I have qualified for several cars in the past that I really couldn't afford. But it sounds like that will not apply to you.
For what it's worth I don't think you will even have an auto enhanced score. If you read about FICO Auto Enhanced Scores you'll see that you have to have a history of previous car loans reporting before an auto enhanced score can be generated.
But I could be wrong about that. I have been known to be slightly less than correct in the past.
Oh absolutely, I certainly agree that people can get approved for things they truly can't afford. I guess that's at the crux of certain financial calamities in the world
Regarding auto enhanced scores, yes, even I'm not sure I would have one, as I noted in my first post. That's kind of why I'm wondering about what I might be able to qualify for I know already I can afford pretty much whatever I would want (emphasis on what I would want, not what's out there )
I have a 574 Transunion score. Received 6.9% for 72 months. $1000 bought a new chevy Cruz. Keep in mind I have a current auto l oan 2 years old( we are keping the car) 6 maxed out credit cards, which were done trying to fix my other car(not the one being financed) I make 60k( no lates on auto loan and 2 cards are past 90 days. Try Ally financial.
Hey Maliak,
My apologies, what I meant in my post was how much you can afford to spend monthly for a car, then work backwards in the auto loan caculators to see what APR at what loan values work for you. e.g. Put 20,000 in the loan value, 20% in the APR, and calculate, that's probably absolute worst case on a 20K loan, and I doubt you're in that bucket. Play with the values to get a feeling for what to expect.
Again worst case, if you can get into the 30% DP range, you can be approved for just about anything even with truly awkward things on your credit report, and I don't think you're in that bad a situation if I remember your credit profile from other posts on this forum correctly.
Auto-enhanced is just an industry option, in this case if you have a FICO score, you have an auto-enhanced one too; however, as you noted, the auto-enhanced option does weight things differently than the Classic or other options. Not every lender uses these though, in your case I think I'd try a couple CU's since some at least will pull a straight FICO for their approvals where you won't get the possible "first-time buyer" penalty.
In any event, it's not a huge issue either if you do: just buy the car, and if the rate isn't pretty because they quote their FICO as much lower than your Classic scores, just go refinance after six months and pretty much eliminate that lack of auto-history problem.
Ah yes, now I get what you were saying. Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I have created an Excel sheet with formulas and I have been playing around with combinations of total numbers, down payment and rates. I've been looking at 7k down but I could do larger one. I don't think I want a very long loan period.
My issues are really two, I think. 1)This will be my first loan of any kind, so I don't have that history to fall back on. I want to get a loan partially for that reason too - establishing some loan history and perhaps making a larger down payment to keep it shorter. 2) My old and now closed accounts from mid 90s are falling off and are not there on TU at all. I don't have any other older accounts. So, my TU score is much lower and it lists short history as a negative. 3?) Three new CCs in May. Is that an issue?
Credit Profile:
TU FICO(May): 747 (myFico, doesn't include all new accounts).
EX FICO (May): 767 (from AMEX, doesn't include all new accounts)
EQ FICO (July): 778 (myFico, includes all new accounts). It was 800+ in May but the 3 new CCs have kept chipping away at it.
Discover sent me a very amusing EQ FICO of 820. My new electric company wouldn't turn my electric on last year without a deposit after they softed EQ - I can't explain it. Perhaps that's why I keep wondering if I would qualify.
I have 1 inquiry on each report that is supposed to hit 12 months in a couple of weeks. One of those is an HP on EX from a rental screening company and I fear I will get one more shortly when I renew my apartment lease next week. I had a low CL problem but that is now resolved with new Discover (10k CL) and AMEX (6k CL now) cards.
I have just been rather way of approaching a lot of banks or CUs and taking all those HPs. I understand that FICO would treat them as one so long as they are coded as auto loan shopping but it just unnerves me for some reason. I'm not sure I want to get an expensive car ($20k+ is expensive by my definition) but I'm still looking at those ranges and wondering what sort of rates I might get (in Arizona, since I understand they vary by region). I can afford it but I'm not sure if spending a lot with a high-ish APR is prudent.
Mailak,
As I said in my other post I might be 100% wrong about you not having an auto enhanced score since you've never had a car loan.
So if and when you do apply could you report back and tell me (all of us actually) whether they try to pull an auto enhanced score and if they do if one was generated for you.
I would much appreciate it.
@MarineVietVet wrote:Mailak,
As I said in my other post I might be 100% wrong about you not having an auto enhanced score since you've never had a car loan.
So if and when you do apply could you report back and tell me (all of us actually) whether they try to pull an auto enhanced score and if they do if one was generated for you.
I would much appreciate it.
Definitely, I will do that.
I was thinking of going first to my bank (Wells Fargo). I'm not sure if they would try to pull the auto enhanced but I will report back on whatever I find. What other places should I try? I know it is recommended to try credit unions as well.