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Right now I have 2 credit cards, 1 auto loan which will be paid off this summer, 1 personal loan which will be paid off in about 2 years. I JUST got the personal loan 2 weeks ago. My credit score is a 767.
I just got a phone call from a friend who also has decent credit, probably around the 700-720 range and makes 60k a year. Much more then I do. He currently has a truck which cost him $1100 a month between payment, gas, and insurance. He wants to get a personal loan for $10,000 which is the difference between what he owes on the truck and what the dealer will give it to him on a trade in.
So here is the question. He went to get the personal loan, but the bank wants him to have a co-signer. So he called me and said if you will cosign for me, I'll give you $500. I have virtually no question in his ability and that he will pay the loan on time etc. He thinks highly of credit as well and if hes been paying $1100 a month, I know he can pay $200. My question is, how will cosigning affect me. Should it help? I currently do not own my own home. If I was to apply for a mortgage, could cosiging affect whether or not I was approved? He says he will pay the loan off in about a year or so. Would this help/lower my score? How about in the long term? Thanks for all the advice
@Anonymous wrote:Right now I have 2 credit cards, 1 auto loan which will be paid off this summer, 1 personal loan which will be paid off in about 2 years. I JUST got the personal loan 2 weeks ago. My credit score is a 767.
I just got a phone call from a friend who also has decent credit, probably around the 700-720 range and makes 60k a year. Much more then I do. He currently has a truck which cost him $1100 a month between payment, gas, and insurance. He wants to get a personal loan for $10,000 which is the difference between what he owes on the truck and what the dealer will give it to him on a trade in.
So here is the question. He went to get the personal loan, but the bank wants him to have a co-signer. So he called me and said if you will cosign for me, I'll give you $500. I have virtually no question in his ability and that he will pay the loan on time etc. He thinks highly of credit as well and if hes been paying $1100 a month, I know he can pay $200. My question is, how will cosigning affect me. Should it help? I currently do not own my own home. If I was to apply for a mortgage, could cosiging affect whether or not I was approved? He says he will pay the loan off in about a year or so. Would this help/lower my score? How about in the long term? Thanks for all the advice
Never under any circumstances would I recommend co-signing for anyone for any reason.
Your friend got himself into this financial mess and he should get himself out of it. If the bank says he needs a co-signer that says volumes about his credit. Walk quickly away from this.
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@MarineVietVet wrote:
Never under any circumstances would I recommend co-signing for anyone for any reason.
Your friend got himself into this financial mess and he should get himself out of it. If the bank says he needs a co-signer that says volumes about his credit. Walk quickly away from this.
I whole heartedly agree!!!! Do NOT do this. It will raise your DTI, and lower the amount you can get a mortgage for. If this guy loses his job, can you make the payments? Can you take over the loan? That's what you are agreeing to do. . . .
I wouldn't say he is in a financial mess. He can pay for the bills if he chose to, he finally just came to his sense like I've been saying that $1,100 a month is crazy for a car.
I'm quite confident he won't lose his job etc. So under the impression, he did indeed pay off the loan in full in say a year or so etc. How would this affect my credit? Pretty much the answers I am looking for are those such as what I was just told in the post after was that I will not be able to get a mortgage for a higher amount because of my DTI ratio. How will this affect me in the short term and long, IF he did indeed pay everything as planned? I have known this guy for almost 15 years, one of my best friends and I know how he feels about credit too. So I know he wouldn't screw himself or me over.
I'll put my feelings away, and speak simply from a credit standpoint. You will have a new account on your report which will decrease your AAoA slightly (depending on your current accounts). It seems that you usually (?) gain back points lost from a new account after 12 months of age. Your UTI will be affected because you will have a new loan at 100% of the original amount. Like I said before, it will also affect your ability to get a new loan because that will increase your obligations.
Hope that helps.
@Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't say he is in a financial mess. He can pay for the bills if he chose to, he finally just came to his sense like I've been saying that $1,100 a month is crazy for a car.
I'm quite confident he won't lose his job etc. So under the impression, he did indeed pay off the loan in full in say a year or so etc. How would this affect my credit? Pretty much the answers I am looking for are those such as what I was just told in the post after was that I will not be able to get a mortgage for a higher amount because of my DTI ratio. How will this affect me in the short term and long, IF he did indeed pay everything as planned? I have known this guy for almost 15 years, one of my best friends and I know how he feels about credit too. So I know he wouldn't screw himself or me over.
You will have a new application which means a ding on your score for the inquiry and new credit. It will affect your AAoA because of this new account. You will have full responsiblity for this note without getting anything out of it.
It doesn't matter what his salary is or how long you've known him. The bottom line is that he cannot get credit on his own for this loan. That's all you should be looking at. Don't let friendship cloud good judgement.
Ditto to everyone else.
It's been said already by others, but per credit there will be an impact on your DTI because you are responsible for the car personal loan. There could be some short-term damage from the inquiry and the new account reporting (6-12 months). There could be an impact on your AAoA and that's based on your CRs...you'd have to do the math. You could be rebucketed if this is your only opened loan w/ a balance. All in all, I don't see you losing more than 30 points across all 3 with most of those returning within 6-12 months. You'll be in much better shape if you delay your home purchase for a year. You'd still have to deal w/ the DTI. If DTI was an issue, then be sure to increase your personal income to offset the loan payment and/or decrease your monthly obligations (pay off debt) if applicable. Just because your friend is going to pay the note, your lender will not see it that way and will factor the car loan payment into your DTI.
I know it's not cool to offer advice when none is asked for. I'm uncool I guess. So, I'm going to use this nifty spoiler option that I (or we) have access to now. Click the "spoiler" link below if you want my 2 cents on the topic of co-signing:
DON'T DO IT!!!!! Aside from the credit issues above, don't do it and here's why:
1) If he has scores (I assume from myFICO or from a lender) of 700+ then he should have ZERO very few issues in getting a loan from any lender (ETA...I know that getting an unsecured loan is harder than a car loan). He is either lying about his credit or #2 comes into play:
2) His income is too low in relation to his monthly obligations (DTI)...If it isn't his credit and he's 100% truthful, then he just doesn't make enough money. Think about the logic for a second. If money was OK and if income was OK, then why can't he get a loan??
3) Aside from DTI or credit, why can't he shop elsewhere? If there only one bank where he lives? If not, go to a different bank or lender. Tell him to shop around in other places if needed for another CU, There is absolutely no reason why he can't get approved if #1 and #2 are OK.
4) Let's say you sign for him anyway. I talked about the credit issues with applying, now I'm going to mention the credit issues of not paying or not paying on time. You've seen it before on here: someone cosigns for someone else and that someone bails. Here's what will happen if you cosign and he defaults:
a) if late, lates can appear on your CR. If lates appear on your CRs, your score will go down and AAs can occur via your existing CC relationships (CLDs, rate hikes I think (not sure how the new law plays into it now)).
b) If late to a point of default, you will have a repo report, lates, and eventually a CO. One day a CA might pick it up and report too. Finally, a judgment can appear because the creditor can sue you as the cosignor.
c) You lose a friend.
5) If you cosign for him, and if, God forbid, he gets in an accident and the car is totalled, you and he must PIF the loan balance immediately. Sometimes insurance can be slow or maybe he lacked GAP and you both must PIF the difference immediately. You can't put it on a payment plan. If you don't PIF immediately, it goes as a CO, CAs, possible PR, etc. You get the picture.
6) If you cosign, is his income guaranteed? Are you 100% certain he won't get canned at work tomorrow? How would you guarantee the payments? Could you pay the monthly loan amount without the assistance of your friend? Things happen. People can get sick, disabled, fired, or other that might prevent him from making the payment or even paying late.
7) Cosigning will put a strain on any friendship, even if he's on time 100%. Cosign and you'll see what I mean.
8) Let's say you do cosign, and I'm not advocating you do, and I'd never cosign for anyone, not even my kids, but in lieu of the above at least consider doing the following:
a) Before cosigning, have him shop around elsewhere for a better rate. Sounds like his credit and/or his income is bad and that's why he can't get a loan. You and he might be stuck with a higher rate at the place he's at already. At least get it down.
b) Make him pull both FICO reports from myFICO.
c) Inspect his certificate of insurance to make sure it is adequately covered.
d) Make sure he gets GAP insurance.
e) Have him mail you proof of the payment each month and make sure he does it online. If he is late once, you make the payments and have him pay you.
f) Make a contract and include all of the above.
g) Include a default provision saying that he'll pay for your attorney fees, extra money for aggrevation for credit repair, and if he's late more than twice, then he must get his own loan and refinance the thing at his cost. Extreme? If you and he's confident that any loan can be repaid as promised, then this shouldn't phase him.
9) Rethink his $$$ issue. You said that $1,100 is crazy. I think it is too. But if you are saying that you/he wants to pay it off in one year, what kind of car is he getting? If you are paying $1100 per month that's $13,200 per year. If that's too much money, and if you/he wants to PIF the car within a year or so, then it looks like he's buying a clunker.
Let's say you both decide that it can be paid off in 2 yrs vs one. That's a max of $26,400 in payments to the car, insurance, gas, etc. Within that, there's interest. Let's say he has to get gas during those 2 yrs. Oil costs is at the rising to the same level as when our last president was in office: $85/gal. It's easily at $3/gallon at the pump. If he limits his miles and uses only $20/week in gas, would that be fair? That's $20 x 52 weeks x 2 yrs or $2,080 for the 2 yrs. So, the balance bumps down to $24,320 assuming he continued to spend a crazy amount of $1100/month.
Now for car insurance....assuming he has no tickets, accidents, and isn't going to allow others to drive it with records, then you can conservatively assume that the monthly insurance on an economy car is $120 per month. Maybe I'm too low with that figure if you go with a major company like Geico, but there are some smaller carrier that offer cheaper. That's $120 x 24 months or $2,880 per the 2 yrs. Assuming he's going to keep the $1100 level, then he has $21,440 left between the principal and the interest on that car.
Interest on a 2 yr note, but using a reverse calculator, you can determine how much principal would be on that car and how much interest there would be. A loan for exactly $20,000 for 24 months would be $895.45 per month at 7% or $21,490.80 for the 2 yrs.
Do you see where I'm going with this? Assuming the $1100 was still acceptable and not that crazy, and assuming he still pays that for 2 more years vs. one, he still would have a small car or even a small car if you guys were trying to cut the $1100. BTW, that's $20k before any taxes or fees. More than likely, the car would be closer to $19k. If you do this with him, understand that he will want more of a car and for payment terms longer than 2 yrs. Your expectations as mentioned in your posts here will no way be met by cosigning.
@Anonymous wrote:Right now I have 2 credit cards, 1 auto loan which will be paid off this summer, 1 personal loan which will be paid off in about 2 years. I JUST got the personal loan 2 weeks ago. My credit score is a 767.
I just got a phone call from a friend who also has decent credit, probably around the 700-720 range and makes 60k a year. Much more then I do. He currently has a truck which cost him $1100 a month between payment, gas, and insurance. He wants to get a personal loan for $10,000 which is the difference between what he owes on the truck and what the dealer will give it to him on a trade in.
So here is the question. He went to get the personal loan, but the bank wants him to have a co-signer. So he called me and said if you will cosign for me, I'll give you $500. I have virtually no question in his ability and that he will pay the loan on time etc. He thinks highly of credit as well and if hes been paying $1100 a month, I know he can pay $200. My question is, how will cosigning affect me. Should it help? I currently do not own my own home. If I was to apply for a mortgage, could cosiging affect whether or not I was approved? He says he will pay the loan off in about a year or so. Would this help/lower my score? How about in the long term? Thanks for all the advice
Am I correct that it's not the car...it's the $10,000 pesonal loan your friend is asking you to cosign for? If so, that's a lot better than cosigning for a car, but still has issues.
You've read all the issues. It will ding your credit from the get go for a credit inquiry and a new account...but probably not a lot. If you don't currently have any installment loans on your report, it could help you a bit to have one. It will show as a loan for you, and that will count against you when you go to buy a house. It will lower the amount of the mortgage you can get because they will count that loan payment as having to come out of your income. In the long run, if he pays off the loan successfully with no late payments, it will help your credit history. So, likely there will be some negatives at first, and then a slight positive for history in the end. The answer may lie in how soon you intend to buy a house. If you want to do this during the life of this loan, that's where the biggest damage might rear its ugly head.
If you do it, you have to be prepared to make the payments if needed, and you have to be prepared to accept how it might affect your own credit and buying power. If you are willing to accept those restrictions/limitations, it's your decision. We all do things for friends, and it's OK to do this as long as you go in with your eyes open.
Woops. I may have misread it, just ever so slightly. Sorry OP. Ignore the car aspect to it, but the credit impact woould be the same, IMO (there's really no difference between auto and personal loans (both installments)) and the advice on defaulting is the same (except the repo, GAP, insurance coverage, car price, etc.). In fact, I'll strikethrough a large bit of it.