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SDChrgrboy2
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

I would have like to known exactly what paperwork you signed and what you did not.  People back out of deals all the time.  Buyers Remorse is the classic case and you fell victim to some high pressure sales guys.  They sounded like scum to me. How do you know they are scum? There are signs printed all over the dealerships about cooling off periods. I am sure no one held a gun to her head. 

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DeeDee642
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

Hi,

Thanks to those of you who joined the discussion and had a few questions:

1. SirMKnight - Nissan was providing the financing (0%). I looked more closely at the inquiries and you are right on the money. One was from Nissan and one was from the dealership. However, the original from Nissan is showing up twice on the same day (Transunion).

2. Markjay - I should have taken someone with me. It was such an impulsive thing, I honestly was just going to go look at a couple of places that were offering 0% deals. I have had such low scores in the past (I'm working on that and improving). Actually, the car I am buying now I bought used and had to pay such a high interest rate. I had it in my head that I was going to see if I qualified for that 0% financing. I even remember saying, "I won't even consider without the 0% financing." Thinking in the back of my mind, that will never happen.My car is paid for now, but I ended up paying so much more for it than I should have with the financing. I was shocked when I qualified for the 0%. I'm sure this added to my bad decision. It was almost like I thought, this will never happen again and I am going to eventually need a new car. I may never have an opportunity again. I just kept thinking of all the extra interest I had paid on my current car. In retrospect, it was pretty irrational. It's odd, even though I am working (successfully) at getting out of debt and raising my score, it is like I will always view myself as this "sub-prime not worthy of credit" kind of person. Kind of like when someone loses a lot of weight, but looks in the mirror and still sees the old them.

3. amnorris - Wow thanks for all of the insider information. I have been receiving customer satisfaction surveys from Nissan via email(which I am afraid to even open). It's like if I fill it out, it will be a "gotcha!" you just admitted to being a customer. Is that were they generate the Customer Service Index from? Always nice to meet another teacher.

4. Bonecrusher - thanks for the heads up on the Stephen Snyder website, I will check it out after I log off of MyFico. I find all of this information fascinating and wish I had been more interested in all of this like 20 years ago.

5. SDChrgrboy2 - I signed a purchase agreement. When you refer to the "cooling off period signs posted all over the dealerships", do you mean ones advertising a cooling off period? Because there is no cooling off period in the state of Wisconsin. So is that what the posters are advertising, that you cannot change your mind. I didn't see any posters and I was there from 7:00 p.m. until 10:30 p.m.

They close at 9:00 p.m. I was there on a Wednesday night, I was tired because I had been up since like 4:30 a.m. (I have to get up early). I kept on asking why I couldn't jus sign the paperwork on Friday when I brought my car back, and they said, "oh it is real busy in here on Fridays so we should take care of all of this now." I remember thinking, that doesn't seem right because I didn't care if they stayed late and worked on the paperwork (they didn't have to do it on Friday) I just wanted to leave. Like many people, I had the misconception that I would have 3 days to get out of the contract. So I just kept thinking, I'll just take the three days to think about it before giving them my car and title. Then I went home and started to do some research and learned otherwise. However, I think it is a prettty common misconception.

Janice (DeeDee)

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

 

I am not real fresh on this. However I have bought many cars and my dad sold cars so I know how tricky dishonest they are. That why they did not want you to leave, they do not want you to purchase a car after thinking about it, they would do anything to trick you to buy. Even illegal. Your in a spot. If you stand very firm you may be able to undue the deal. Yes there no cooling off that I know off. But the dealer does not get the deal from the bank until you make your first payment. So that is your leverage you always need leverage. Push come to shove the dealer may back out. What you need to do is get a Car Dealer Attorney, lemon law consumer guy. He will be able to find a way most likely to get you out. Trust me there a lot the dealer can do wrong on accident. The dealer will not roll over. You liely signed power of attorney on your used car, wether you can get it back is going to be tough. But it is not your problem and will work in your favor if it is not paid off. You will have more leverage, What I really really do know is this is the type off deal where they screwed you so bad using the trade in,interest rate, price and loads of othey ways to screw you. Dealer will always screw you for all it can it is the nature of the business. Follow my route and keep digging and you will come across more things that may help you. Need to find and use leverage. If you do not make your payment the dealer does not get the financing money. You need to check this, but I almost totally sure, Even be told this by the dealer, salesmen etc.

 

Hope this gives you help!

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???


@Anonymous wrote:

 

I am not real fresh on this. However I have bought many cars and my dad sold cars so I know how tricky dishonest they are. That why they did not want you to leave, they do not want you to purchase a car after thinking about it, they would do anything to trick you to buy. Even illegal. Your in a spot. If you stand very firm you may be able to undue the deal. Yes there no cooling off that I know off. But the dealer does not get the deal from the bank until you make your first payment. So that is your leverage you always need leverage. Push come to shove the dealer may back out. What you need to do is get a Car Dealer Attorney, lemon law consumer guy. He will be able to find a way most likely to get you out. Trust me there a lot the dealer can do wrong on accident. The dealer will not roll over. You liely signed power of attorney on your used car, wether you can get it back is going to be tough. But it is not your problem and will work in your favor if it is not paid off. You will have more leverage, What I really really do know is this is the type off deal where they screwed you so bad using the trade in,interest rate, price and loads of othey ways to screw you. Dealer will always screw you for all it can it is the nature of the business. Follow my route and keep digging and you will come across more things that may help you. Need to find and use leverage. If you do not make your payment the dealer does not get the financing money. You need to check this, but I almost totally sure, Even be told this by the dealer, salesmen etc.

 

Hope this gives you help!


Different states have different laws and obligations. What may seem simple to get out of a transaction in yo state may NOT be possible in the OP's state.

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SDChrgrboy2
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

5. SDChrgrboy2 - I signed a purchase agreement. When you refer to the "cooling off period signs posted all over the dealerships", do you mean ones advertising a cooling off period? Because there is no cooling off period in the state of Wisconsin. So is that what the posters are advertising, that you cannot change your mind. I didn't see any posters and I was there from 7:00 p.m. until 10:30 p.m

Well I am in California and it's the same way.  In every office including the finance office there are signs stated no cooling off. I think its the law here.   When I bought my Ford, the first dealership didn't want me to go and tried everything for me to sign. I juts got up and walked out. ending up buying the truck from the second dealership as I used the first for a starting point for negotiations.  Salesman are agressive, but you control what you do or don't sign

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

I do not know the laws in Wisconsin..  However at most dealerships if it is a used car you have to drive it over the curb and take delivery for the contract to be valid..  However that is for used cars.  New cars are a different story.  A lot of times the car you contract to buy has to be gotten from an other dealership or ordered.  Your contract to buy is what they have agreed to do and you agreed to pay.  Because you were tired is not their fault. 

However large dealerships will in most cases let you out of the contract..  However be ready to pay a processing fee of some type..  Paperwork processing and now unprepossessing is not free... 

however do not avoid the dealership.. Bad move..  This can also go on your credit as a voluntary repossession.   watch it...

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

  usmc58555 Super Contributor

 

Yes I realize their are different laws and I suspect Calif which is where I reside has more laws, such a the lemon law. There are attorney who will take a case like this one sometimes under the lemon law and tear apart the contract literally and end forcing attorney fees to be paid by dealer/bank. My main advice for her is to find a consumer attorney specializes in Lemon Law if that is Federal Law I am not sure. It is those attorney that know the ins and outs of Auto contracts. And these guys can in most cases be real effective. The dealer can do a lot wrong without even meaning too. Trust me or do not trust me. I have first hand knowledge.

 

Thanks usmc58555 Super Contributor!

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BungalowMo
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

 


@Anonymous wrote:

I do not know the laws in Wisconsin..  However at most dealerships if it is a used car you have to drive it over the curb and take delivery for the contract to be valid..  However that is for used cars.  New cars are a different story.  A lot of times the car you contract to buy has to be gotten from an other dealership or ordered.  Your contract to buy is what they have agreed to do and you agreed to pay.  Because you were tired is not their fault. 

However large dealerships will in most cases let you out of the contract..  However be ready to pay a processing fee of some type..  Paperwork processing and now unprepossessing is not free... 

however do not avoid the dealership.. Bad move..  This can also go on your credit as a voluntary repossession.   watch it...

 

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???

Generally speaking to all who refer to a penalty for getting, such as 10%. The minute the dealer register the new car it is now offically a used car and the git maybe #5000.00 or even more. For instance I bought a car the bank wanted back, changed its mind on financing me. They sold a car I paid over $32,00 for 16.000 at the auction with 600 miles on the car. Was not even a lot buyers for it! Dealer is not going to tack back a new car as used. She will need to do What I have said! And more most likely.

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Anonymous
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Re: I did something so stupid - any way out???


@Anonymous wrote:

  usmc58555 Super Contributor

 

Yes I realize their are different laws and I suspect Calif which is where I reside has more laws, such a the lemon law. There are attorney who will take a case like this one sometimes under the lemon law and tear apart the contract literally and end forcing attorney fees to be paid by dealer/bank. My main advice for her is to find a consumer attorney specializes in Lemon Law if that is Federal Law I am not sure. It is those attorney that know the ins and outs of Auto contracts. And these guys can in most cases be real effective. The dealer can do a lot wrong without even meaning too. Trust me or do not trust me. I have first hand knowledge.

 

Thanks usmc58555 Super Contributor!


I appreciate the insight. Myself? I sold cars for 3 years and was an assistant to the finance manager at my dealer ship.

 

Lemon Laws apply when the car is a "Lemon," not when the car is simply unwanted. A Lemon Law attorney may have a better understanding of car contracts, but will not be able to invoke lemon law statutes.

 

Federal "Cooling Off" laws specifically exempt cars and home purchases.

 

Cooling Off Laws are a State's perogative.

 

For Wisconsin Residents:

Is your vehicle a lemon?

Your vehicle is a lemon if all of the following statements are true:

  • You bought or leased a new vehicle.
  • The vehicle is a car, truck, motorcycle or motor home.
  • The vehicle developed a defect or defects during its first year and before the warranty expired.
  • The defect seriously harms the vehicle's use, value or safety.
  • One of the following happened during the vehicle's first year and before the warranty expired:
    • The dealer failed four times to fix the same defect; OR
    • The vehicle was out of service for 30 days or more due to defects

Wisconsin Cooling off Period:

 

Purchase cancellation

 

Many consumers mistakenly believe they have three days to cancel a motor vehicle purchase contract. They do not. The 3-day "cooling off" period only applies to sales the dealer makes away from the dealership—for example, at a mall or fair grounds. If you sign a purchase contract at the dealership it is a binding contract. The dealer may charge you a penalty if you cancel the deal. By law, the penalty cannot be more than 5% of the purchase price of the vehicle.

If you order a new vehicle to be delivered at a later date and the vehicle is not delivered within 15 days of the anticipated delivery date recorded on the purchase contract, you can cancel the contract without penalty.

If you are unhappy with your purchase, talk with your dealer. Some dealers will make a goodwill adjustment, or even cancel your contract without a penalty in order to satisfy a good customer.

 

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/consumer/rights/no3day-rights.htm

 


California recently enacted a law that allowed a cooling off period in a vehicle purchase, but it must be specifically OPTED IN at contract inception, and a non refundable fee be charged for a buyer to have the chance to excercise this option.

 

A new law establishing the Car Buyer's Bill of Rights substantially impacts the purchase of new and used vehicles. The law, which takes effect July 1, 2006, affects retail vehicle sales handled by licensed car dealers in California. This law does not apply to motorcycles and off-highway motor vehicles or to transactions between private parties. Major changes include:

 

.......

Used car buyers may purchase a two-day sales contract cancellation option.

There is no "cooling off" period unless you obtain a contract cancellation option. . Consumers who purchase a used car for less than $40,000 must be given an opportunity to purchase a two-day Contract Cancellation Option Agreement.

Important: The contract cancellation option does not apply to used cars priced at $40,000 or more, new cars, private party sales, motorcycles, off-road vehicles, recreational vehicles, or vehicles sold for business or commercial use.

Cancellation option specifics

The following indicates how much you can expect to pay if you choose to purchase the contract cancellation option:

  • $75 for a vehicle costing $5,000 or less;
  • $150 for a vehicle costing more than $5,000, but not more than $10,000;
  • $250 for a vehicle costing more than $10,000, but not more than $30,000; or
  • One percent of the purchase price for a vehicle costing more than $30,000, but not more than $39,999.99

If you choose to return the vehicle, within the time specified, the dealer can charge a maximum restocking fee of:

  • $175 for a vehicle costing $5,000 or less;
  • $350 for a vehicle costing more than $5,000, but less than $10,000; or
  • $500 for a vehicle costing $10,000 but less than $40,000.

......

 

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr26.htm

 

At any rate, an attorney will cost you money. if by chance there are problems in the contract that may be your "out," if the contract is solid, well now you are spending money on a lawyer as well.

 

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