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Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

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celticslegends
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Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

In july 2014 I traded in a 2013 Kia Forte for a 2014 Chevy Camaro. I had serious negative equity in the Kia (I will never buy another Kia). $8,400 worth of negative equity had to be shoved into the Camaro loan. I started out with the Kia in Feb 2013 paying 24% interest. My credit at that time was toast. I suspect around 500, or slightly under with nothing good on it. I needed a vehicle desperately and where I live it is impossible to survive without one. My job at that time loaned me the money to make the down payment and they handled everything to "put me in a car that would run". I refinanced the Kia with my credit union and got the interest rate to 17-18% I believe. Hung in there and made the trade for the Camaro and lowered the interest to 11%.  All this time gardening, working on my credit cards and disputing negative items on my report. I refinanced again with my CU 2 months ago and got my interest rate down to 7%. I currently owe $25k on the Camaro, but still have about $5k negative equity. Finally large amounts of the principle is getting chopped down due to the lower rate. I love the car and it gets the job done. I have no issues at all, but I find myself more and more wanting to live a simpler life and get rid of these large payments. Currently my payment each month is $552. Realistically I want to pay half that amount each month. My wife needs a car and I want to get it to where we are paying $500-$600 per month for two vehicles instead of one. I checked the trade in value for the Camaro and it is around $19-$20k. I have read other posters on here that are trying to trade in a negative equity vehicle, but the responses are by far to not do so. Can anyone give me the best advice on what I should do here? Either way, I will have to shovel the negative equity somewhere. Either pay for it in cash, or trade it in and shovel it into a new loan. I know that when I make the next financial move with a car I will get a great rate. Should I refinance with another CU and try and get the rate down to 2-3% and ask if they can lower my payments, or just trade it in and get a less costly vehicle with the negative equity added into the loan? I'm worried that as time goes on the Camaro will continue to depreciate (maybe not as much as the Kia) and I will not be able to catch up with the value and will be stuck in negative equity into perpetuity. 

 

I know I have sort of gone on a tangent, but anyone that feels that can point me in the right direction, please feel free to chime in.  Thanks!

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StartingOver10
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

You actually had two problems - one was created by your credit status at the time of your original purchase in 2013 and you compounded that problem a couple of times by trading in your vehicle.  Yes, the high interest loan contributed to being underwater on your vehicle - but you accelerated the amount by trading. Constant trading creates large negative equity.

 

Now you want to trade again, which is the best way to dig yourself into a deeper hole.

 

If you really want to get out of this downward spiral, you must either pay the negative equity in cash before you trade or sell the vehicle private party and bring cash to the closing. Otherwise your hole gets deeper.

 

What is the private party value of your current vehicle now? It's possible that there would be very little negative equity if the trade in is upside down by $5k

 

Have you tried to get a valuation from Carmax for the purchase of your current vehicle? Not a trade - an outright purchase.

 

If you can manage to sell the vehicle without trading you at least will start off clean with your next purchase. Get the funds to pay off the negative equity that remains when you sell it private party and you will be well on your way to fixing this issue. Otherwise, keep what you have until it isn't upside down. You may as well fix it now as it is less expensive than increasing the debt and pushing it down the road to pay later.

 

 

 

 

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celticslegends
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!


@StartingOver10 wrote:

You actually had two problems - one was created by your credit status at the time of your original purchase in 2013 and you compounded that problem a couple of times by trading in your vehicle.  Yes, the high interest loan contributed to being underwater on your vehicle - but you accelerated the amount by trading. Constant trading creates large negative equity.

 

Now you want to trade again, which is the best way to dig yourself into a deeper hole.

 

If you really want to get out of this downward spiral, you must either pay the negative equity in cash before you trade or sell the vehicle private party and bring cash to the closing. Otherwise your hole gets deeper.

 

What is the private party value of your current vehicle now? It's possible that there would be very little negative equity if the trade in is upside down by $5k

 

Have you tried to get a valuation from Carmax for the purchase of your current vehicle? Not a trade - an outright purchase.

 

If you can manage to sell the vehicle without trading you at least will start off clean with your next purchase. Get the funds to pay off the negative equity that remains when you sell it private party and you will be well on your way to fixing this issue. Otherwise, keep what you have until it isn't upside down. You may as well fix it now as it is less expensive than increasing the debt and pushing it down the road to pay later.

 

 

 

 


Thank you for your detailed response.

 

I checked on KBB earlier and private party value is $21,282 and trade in value is $19,674. I owe $25k right now. Next month once I make my next payment I will owe $24,700 or so.

 

I have not gone to carmax to get a valuation yet. My plan was to get all of this done in July. First I want to pay down the balance on my CU cc and get my scores as high as possible. Plus I am waiting for my student loans to reflect as rehabbed on my CR's so there will be hardly anything negative on my reports. By July this should of all come to fruition.

 

Even if I manage to sell it at the highest private party value I am still going to be 3k-4k negative. At this point I think the biggest leverage is getting as low a rate as possible. 2-3% from my CU, or another one in my area. That way a majority of payments will go to the principle and not interest. When I bought the Camaro, I was able to get a ton of rebates and negotiated the price big time, which did help. I may be able to do that again to eliminate the negative equity and get this thing back to zero, or close to it. If I combine a very low rate and big time negotiation, I may come out on top and be back to even? 

 

But what about paying a much lower payment? That is the other thing. It is a complicated situation, but I know I have a way out of this. But I think you are right in saying that the sooner I take care of this the better, because the Camaro will continue to fall in price and I don't want the gap to widen in the negative equity any more than it has!

 

 

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victor7
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

In general, cars depreciate exponentially, while you are paying them off sub-linearly (because you are making constant payments, but initially very little is paying of the principle). So you are pretty much guaranteed to always have negative value in them, unless you paid cash for the vehicle, or until you have paid off the loan. Thinking of a car the way you might think of a house, or any other "investment" is generally not going to work. I just look at the cost as what I need to pay to have use of the vehicle--sort of like "renting." If this bothers you, then you might want to find a car that holds its value better next time. But if you plan to own the vehicle for a while, I wouldn't worry about it too much; just try to keep the payments within your means.

 

Your best bet is to refinance to as low an interest rate as you can get. I've found credit unions to be much better than banks or other car lenders. You'll get your credit score up before you know it, and then be able to afford a lot more car for the payments, or a comparable car for much less.

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celticslegends
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!


@victor7 wrote:

In general, cars depreciate exponentially, while you are paying them off sub-linearly (because you are making constant payments, but initially very little is paying of the principle). So you are pretty much guaranteed to always have negative value in them, unless you paid cash for the vehicle, or until you have paid off the loan. Thinking of a car the way you might think of a house, or any other "investment" is generally not going to work. I just look at the cost as what I need to pay to have use of the vehicle--sort of like "renting." If this bothers you, then you might want to find a car that holds its value better next time. But if you plan to own the vehicle for a while, I wouldn't worry about it too much; just try to keep the payments within your means.

 

Your best bet is to refinance to as low an interest rate as you can get. I've found credit unions to be much better than banks or other car lenders. You'll get your credit score up before you know it, and then be able to afford a lot more car for the payments, or a comparable car for much less.


Thank you for your insight. From what I am finding, credit unions are the best when it comes to rates. My credit union is offering me the lowest rate out of anyone. For me, it is a combination of things: lower payment per month, lower interest rate, paying less for gas, trying to stay as ahead of the game as much as possible on the negative equity and have a vehicle that retains its value as much as possible. What really hurt me was the first vehicle I bought 2.5 years ago (Kia). It depreciated so much during the first year. It lost almost half of it's value. I owed $19k and when I traded it into the dealership and they gave me $12,500 as trade in value. They tried to give me $9k at first. It was bad. Plus the interest rate was 22% and that did a lot of damage. Now I am down to 7% and have the ability to lower my payments by $150 per month.  I am looking at a Prius this weekend and it looks like I am going to be able to make it work. What I know so far: Payment will be far less than what I am paying now, I will pay less for car insurance and I will pay less for gas. What I don't know: how much more of the negative equity will be knocked down. If I can cut it in half that would be awesome ($2k) and than keep making payments until I refinance in the fall when my scores are much higher. After that I will catch up on it.

 

Thanks to everyone for your advice. Here is to "renting" a vehicle and going to bed at night knowing that you are getting the best value possible and not the opposite Smiley Wink

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celticslegends
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

Just an update...I ended up trading in the Camaro for a new Prius. I am happy with the decision. I put a dent of $1k into the negative equity, I was able to lower my monthly payment by $50, I was able to save $30 per month on insurance and I will save big in gas, plus I received a lower interest rate. I will keep this car for a few years and pay it down to catch up on the remaining negative equity. It will depreciate, but not as fast as the camaro. 

 

Thank you for your advice.

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mynameainttracy
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

I have had my Prius for 8 years. Best car I ever bought.

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celticslegends
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!


@mynameainttracy wrote:

I have had my Prius for 8 years. Best car I ever bought.


Another update. I know this is a bit off topic, but the Prius is the funnest car I have ever driven and I have driven the best of the best (used to do valet part time in Miami). Filled up the tank today for $23. Good for another 560 miles Smiley Wink. That is what I used to pay every 3 days with the Camaro. I'm glad I made the choice. I will keep the Prius for several years and get back to even. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

Happy to see this worked out for you.  I have been in the negative equity situation in the past and it is never fun.  Hopefully you will be able to keep the Prius for several years to get to a point of equity and build those scores, buying a car is much more fun when you arent upside down and you have solid scores to get a low APR.

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Anonymous
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Re: Negative Equity in 2014 Camaro...should I stick with it...or trade it in? Advice needed!

Not a good idea.  Only way to get out is to stop the negative equity overflowing into the next vehicle.  You really should wait for that to balance out before you think of trading it in on another.  I said this in another post.  My son-in-law kept doing this to about 3 pick-ups.  He is now driving a small toyota that he hates and is seriously upside down.  The loan is for 84 months.  So he has 6 years or so left to drive a truck he hates!   Try to stick it out.  You will be glad you did.  Smiley Wink

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