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kr43002
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how to steer away from a chapter 13

This is not for me, I don't know the full specifics of the case, however my parents are going through a chapter 13.

My father makes way to much money to qualify for a chapter 7, is what I believe is happening.

However his attorney originally filed him for a chapter 7 and it seems as though the trustee is trying to convert it to a chapter 13.

What can be done to lower the monthly payments, or stop it from converting? A large portion of his income is going to be taken, and I am trying to see if there is anyway to avoid it.

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despritfreya
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Re: how to steer away from a chapter 13

There is no way to really answer your questions since only your dad and his attorney have the information necessary to determine what he can or cannot do and/or what he can or cannot "afford" to pay if he elects to convert to Chapter 13. 

 

Having said the above, if you dad is facing a Motion to Dismiss under 11 USC 707(b) because he does not "qualify" for the Chapter 7 based upon "means testing", he has three choices:

 

1.  File a Response to the Motion and argue his position in an effort to defeat the Motion;

2.  Voluntarily convert to Chapter 13 - he cannot be forced to convert; or

3.  Agree to the dismissal of the case.

 

If he does not fight the Motion and allows the case to be dismissed, he would be dealing with his creditors as if he had never filed.  At some point down the road, maybe he would be in a position where he does "qualify" for a Chapter 7 and try again.

 

Des.

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Shooting-For-800
Senior Contributor

Re: how to steer away from a chapter 13

Ch13 is for those who have enough income to live on and have enough left over to pay their creditors a portion if not all of what they owe.

Ch7 is for those who do not have anything left over to pay their creditors.

The rules are much stricter now due to people abusing the system.

There is some wiggle room, BUT the Trustee makes the decision.

He probably should have settled all his debts for a fraction of what was owed and not filed for BK if he was not behind on his mortgage and has a lot of income.

 

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jmw1
Frequent Contributor

Re: how to steer away from a chapter 13


@kr43002 wrote:

This is not for me, I don't know the full specifics of the case, however my parents are going through a chapter 13.

My father makes way to much money to qualify for a chapter 7, is what I believe is happening.

However his attorney originally filed him for a chapter 7 and it seems as though the trustee is trying to convert it to a chapter 13.

What can be done to lower the monthly payments, or stop it from converting? A large portion of his income is going to be taken, and I am trying to see if there is anyway to avoid it.


 

In practice, you can't change the monthly payment downwards after you file absent a documented loss of employment income right after filing. Even then it will be a fight because of the means test. Your budget is set based upon the lower of provable receipts or maximums allowed by IRS guidelines for past spending. You must devote all disposable income to unsecured creditors. 

 

If you had a time machine and pre-planned the bankruptcy six months to a year prior, there are some things you can do to decrease the disposable income to some extent to make a chapter 13 easier or squeeze into a 7.  What did your dad do with the minimum payments when he stopped paying them? The right answer is spend it on stuff that counts in a bankruptcy budget. It sounds like he spent the minimums on stuff that doesn't count.

 

When the disposable income is really large which is what it looks like in your parent's case, it's nearly impossible to reduce it enough to squeeze into a 7 absent a bunch of delinquent taxes, a huge mortgage payment, mortgage arrears, and two reasonable auto payments in a joint case. I noticed lawyers don't like helping you very much on pre-planning a BK, but they will answer any individual questions once retained.  Given the huge disposable income, it may be necessary to admit defeat and do a chapter 13 while trying to make the 13 easier. Of course everyone wants to be in a 7 instead of a 13. That's not possible if income is way above median for your household and state.



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Horseshoez
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Re: how to steer away from a chapter 13

@jmw1, this was my case, each of the five attorneys I interviewed were pretty clear right up front, even though I had no property or other secured assets to protect, I had no hope of filing a Chapter 7.  The attorney I ultimately chose did an amazing job at working with me to pre-plan my filing from all aspects which minimized my monthly payment, which, while not insignificant, was at least liveable.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

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