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About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

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About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

Ok, I’m seeking advice on what steps to take next. I have some urgent (structural) home repairs and need to secure around 30K in additional credit.


I had tried a HELOC (we already have around 400K in equity because of appreciation and bagging a bargain) with WF, with whom I have my mortgage and was denied because of “too many inquiries, debt-to-income too high” etc. I was considering other banks but my accountant suggested I shouldn’t secure anything on the home because it will make it difficult for us to do a more meaningful re-fi around the end of the year/early next year (by which time my wife’s CR will be in much better shape).

Obviously, I don’t want to max out the lines I have, so I tried to get a CLI on some existing cards (BOA, NASA, NAVY) with no joy,

though I did get a new Venture with a 15K CL.

So, at this point, it’s either a personal loan (if I can get it - DCU turned me down around June ’14) or some new CCs - I was considering AMEX (would having an LOC rule me out for AMEX?), PEN FED, UNFCU.

The clock is ticking because my UTIL is about to go waaaayy up when my NAVY accounts report at the beginning of May.

As always, your advice is greatly appreciated! My profile is below..

H.

Revolving:
NAVY FCU 25K
CAP 1 Venture 15K
Navy LOC 10K
CAP 1 Venture One 5K
BOA Cash Rewards VISA 3K
WF Home Rebate 2.5K
NASA 2K
BOA Cash Rewards MC 1K

Mortgage: ($4K per month) since Jan 2014 - paid on time

AAOA  2 yrs 8 mo
Oldest (AU) 8 yrs 3 mo
Income 96K
Util: 11%

Scores: EX FICO 705, EQ FICO 704, TU 705
Inquiries in last 2 years: EX 11, EQ 14, TU 12

Oldest personal: Apr 2014 (Cap 1 Venture One)
Newest personal: Mar 2015 (Cap 1 Venture-
not yet reporting)

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NRB525
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

If your accountant says you should not go for a HELOC, what is the alternative that accountant has in mind? Securing the loan with the house, if you have indeed $400k of equity, will get you a lower APR than any CC you could app for, and it just becomes one more item to include in the refi process. I'm not sure why the accountant thinks it will take away from a "meaningful" refi. Either the HELOC needs to be paid off at the refi, or the CC debt needs to be paid off, not much difference in the refi app because they won't want to leave that CC debt hanging out there with the new mortgage.

 

I'm a little confused by the numbers involved. You say you have $400k of equity, are paying $4k per month in mortgage costs, which implies a very expensive house that now has structural issues, after you've owned it for a year?

 

How much is the quote for the repair cost, and how solid is the quote? With these house repairs, unless all the unknowns are known (very difficult to do) the original quote can go much higher, particularly structural items. How many months is it going to take to complete the repairs?

 

How much do you have outstanding on your existing credit cards?  Available credit on those cards? It sounds like you've already used up the NFCU credit?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

Have you considered applying for the BBVA NBA Compass Amex. Almost everyone is getting approved with pretty generous SL and 0% APR for 6 months. 

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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

If you are looking to do home repairs, I'd go with the Lowes card.  As you can get it up to a $25,000 line or $30,000 line if not approved instantly for that sort of huge limit.  Are you looking for a non store credit card?

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TheGardner
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

May be a DTI issue. 4k monthly on roughly 100k income is 40% mortgage by itself. That's a whole lot of mortgage, I'm so glad my area is cheaper (Texas).

This may also be why you are having issues with denials an CLI.

I would still press for HELOC rather than CCs it's much cheaper for you and that's what is important.
If anyone needs me I will be In The Garden. Goal Score: 760 for all in 2015.
Current FICO Scores EX: 715 EQ: 756 TU: 762
Last APP April 21, 2015.
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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

Thanks for all the advice. Allow me to provide more info.

 

My accountant's suggestion was to borrow the money from family, but that's not going to work.

 

I was also turned down by my original mortgage broker who said we should wait until my wife's credit is better.

He suggested a personal loan.

 

The strucutral damage was only uncovered once we opened up the walls and ceilings in the space where we're planning to live.

There was both water and termite damage. The quote was to take care of that and do some strengethening work, that while it isn't

immediately dangerous, it may bite us in the ass later and cost more to reopen the ceilings and floors at a later date. We've had

several estimates and inspections by professional engineers and architects. Once we get the permits, it's about a 6-week process

to do that work and the finshing work so we can live there. Once the work is done, we'll be in a great position as it's in the new york market.

Rental income is already over 6K.

 

My util is currently 11% but will go up to around 35-40% when the Navy lines report.

 

A HELOC will also most likely be very difficult as I have to do it on the strngth of my CP alone as my wife's is not in a good state.

Therefore, the entire mortgage shows as my sole responsibility as opposed to one shared..

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

I'll check it out, thanks. I checked the AMex pre-qual page and was approved for the ECB, Delta Skymies and EC cards, though from reading this forum,

that doesn't mean much. I also read that they don'tlike to see a PLOC on your CR and was worried that may disqualify me.

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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

Thank you.

 

Yes, I'll look into the Lowes card. I didn't realise they were so generous with their limits. I'll obviously be needing supplies/apllicances and

we tend to shop there rather than HD anyway. Is there a difference to the way store cards and prime cards report? I'm just curious why you

asked if I was considering store cards?

 

Thanks, H.

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NRB525
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..


@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for all the advice. Allow me to provide more info.

 

My accountant's suggestion was to borrow the money from family, but that's not going to work.

 

I was also turned down by my original mortgage broker who said we should wait until my wife's credit is better.

He suggested a personal loan.

 

The strucutral damage was only uncovered once we opened up the walls and ceilings in the space where we're planning to live.

There was both water and termite damage. The quote was to take care of that and do some strengethening work, that while it isn't

immediately dangerous, it may bite us in the ass later and cost more to reopen the ceilings and floors at a later date. We've had

several estimates and inspections by professional engineers and architects. Once we get the permits, it's about a 6-week process

to do that work and the finshing work so we can live there. Once the work is done, we'll be in a great position as it's in the new york market.

Rental income is already over 6K.

 

My util is currently 11% but will go up to around 35-40% when the Navy lines report.

 

A HELOC will also most likely be very difficult as I have to do it on the strngth of my CP alone as my wife's is not in a good state.

Therefore, the entire mortgage shows as my sole responsibility as opposed to one shared..

 

 


Yeah, I think you realize how re-un-dis-not this idea is. Borrowing from family has all kinds of hair on it.

 

So it sounds like you have a multi-family building? That does put some more perspective on the whole thing. A whole new level of challenges!

 

Regarding the Lowes and Home Depot cards, fine if you are buying supplies from there, but I'm guessing you are paying an outside contractor who would like real money and not store cards? Smiley Happy

 

Boy, I still think you should approach a bank or CU to see what kind of equity line you can get on the structure. At least open the conversation to understand if it is even an option. If your credit is already stressed/maxed, you need to look at available assets to pledge. The building is the most obvious asset to use. Plus, if you have 3? 4? More? rental units, you need to approach this more like a business, more professionally, and not a patchwork of using $1k CC and family loans (I can't believe that was even a suggestion...) to keep the business running.

 

Good luck!

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: About do an app attack, need advice. Please..

Yes, it's a 3-fam.

 

I agree that I need to make a considered and strategic move with regards to financing but if my original mortgage broker, who moved all kinds of mountains

to get me the original loan, is saying that it's a no-go, then I'm going to focus my attentions elsewhere.

 

Some high limit cards wth a decent 0% rate will help a lot with the supplies and materials, just need to figure out the cash piece.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

H.

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