@Anonymous wrote:I just think some people are just stuck in the no CLI demographic for life, such as myself.
Not sure if you've come across this particular topic, but it can provide some insight as to how some lenders, especially Capital One, are known for using tranches in their business/lending models.
@Anonymous wrote:I hear ya. They must have their mind set or there's a flaw in their credit scoring model because I always get the same old score every time. I even contacted the credit bureaus after talking to Capitol One Executive office staff because they advised me that the credit bureaus are reporting inaccurate data. However; after getting in touch with the bureaus, they advised me that my credit report and scores are updated and all of my other credit cards/financial institutions reported very similar score from the three bureaus except for Capital One.
For me, knowing that my scores simply cannot be a problem (they're in the 800s! what more do they want?!), the denial reasons Cap1 gives me just make me shake my head in disbelief. Whatever!
@Anonymous wrote:I actually had a Walmart credit card from Synchrony Bank that was sold to Capital One I used to get credit limit increase until it's an official Capital One card. Since then, CLI requested denied years after years. I would close that card too but it has a credit limit of $8K which is better than $2900. I just think some people are just stuck in the no CLI demographic for life, such as myself.
We had the same card! Yep, mine was with Synchrony, too, and then got transferred to Cap1. Thank goodness my limit was already $10,000 before the change--because it hasn't increased ONE PENNY since then, despite several attempts. My other two cards, which I had long before the WM card joined them, also haven't been approved for CLIs in years. I don't know what they want! I guess if I ran each card up almost to its limit, and then paid their outlandish interest on them for a few months, MAYBE they'd grant a CLI or two? I don't know. (Regarding the APR: I've recently learned (here) that mine are way out of line with others who have similar credit. At some point, I'm going to attempt to get them lowered.)













It sounds like we are in the exact same boat. I gave up with Capital One. I just read the thread regarding how some people are stuck in the subprime credit when they initially open their account and never graduate from that especially with Capital One. It makes total sense. https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Credit-Card-Asset-Backed-Securities-ABS-and-w...
Thank you for the link. It definitely gave me some insight and totally makes sense in regards to my credit situation.
@FinStar wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:I just think some people are just stuck in the no CLI demographic for life, such as myself.
Not sure if you've come across this particular topic, but it can provide some insight as to how some lenders, especially Capital One, are known for using tranches in their business/lending models.
@Anonymous wrote:It sounds like we are in the exact same boat. I gave up with Capital One. I just read the thread regarding how some people are stuck in the subprime credit when they initially open their account and never graduate from that especially with Capital One. It makes total sense. https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Credit-Card-Asset-Backed-Securities-ABS-and-why-some-subprime/m-p/5083619#M251646
But in my case, that doesn't apply. Both of my existing Cap1 cards (before WM got added) were just regular old Quicksilver cards, one a Mastercard and the other a Visa. Not subprime at all. Not builder/rebuilder cards, just plain old cards! I do acknowledge that when I initially got those, my scores weren't nearly as high as they are now, but they were in the 700s, mid-700s if I remember correctly, so not exactly bad. That's why I don't understand being bucketed by Cap1, but that's certainly what it looks like!













Maybe subprime is just a relative category to what they consider you at the time that you applied. In my case it was my first card so they didn't really trust me since I'm new to credit and just kept me in that category since then. As I mentioned earlier; they kept showing me the same old credit score when I had huge debt after the housing market crash of 2008 and my mortgage was underwater due to loss in value. I remember never seeing a credit card offer in the mail for years, now I get nonstop offers. My score has definitely improved especially over the past year and all my creditors acknowledged it with either automatic approvals and/or requested. Well; except for Capital One. Lol...I think the only way we can get a higher credit limit from Capital One is to apply for a new card. However, with so many rejections over the years, I'm afraid of getting a hard inquiry pulled and a slap in the face with a credit denial.
@Anonymous wrote:Maybe subprime is just a relative category to what they consider you at the time that you applied. In my case it was my first card so they didn't really trust me since I'm new to credit and just kept me in that category since then. As I mentioned earlier; they kept showing me the same old credit score when I had huge debt after the housing market crash of 2008 and my mortgage was underwater due to loss in value. I remember never seeing a credit card offer in the mail for years, now I get nonstop offers. My score has definitely improved especially over the past year and all my creditors acknowledged it with either automatic approvals and/or requested. Well; except for Capital One. Lol...I think the only way we can get a higher credit limit from Capital One is to apply for a new card. However, with so many rejections over the years, I'm afraid of getting a hard inquiry pulled and a slap in the face with a credit denial.
Exactly! I think you're right about the new card idea--I know from reading posts around here that that's how some people finally got [in essence] a CLI from Cap1.
But I don't want any other Cap1 products--and a HP plus a denial would indeed be a slap in the face.
They're by far my least favorite CC issuer, and I'm even toying with the idea of closing some or all of my three cards with them. I almost never close a card, so it's doubtful that I'll really end up DOING that, but I am thinking about it!













@Anonymous wrote:Maybe subprime is just a relative category to what they consider you at the time that you applied. In my case it was my first card so they didn't really trust me since I'm new to credit and just kept me in that category since then. As I mentioned earlier; they kept showing me the same old credit score when I had huge debt after the housing market crash of 2008 and my mortgage was underwater due to loss in value. I remember never seeing a credit card offer in the mail for years, now I get nonstop offers. My score has definitely improved especially over the past year and all my creditors acknowledged it with either automatic approvals and/or requested. Well; except for Capital One. Lol...I think the only way we can get a higher credit limit from Capital One is to apply for a new card. However, with so many rejections over the years, I'm afraid of getting a hard inquiry pulled and a slap in the face with a credit denial.
As shared in that prior link, a tranche is a tranche. When portfolios are evaluated, there are "buckets" if you would, where certain accounts/profiles are placed. It is a very sophisticated and complex methodology, all driven by thier internal UW and AI.
I'll share with you an example, maybe I'm an outlier like some other members or individuals who are not on these board. I honestly don't know what tranche I would be in to be honest.
Several years ago, Capital One UW standards were a lot different than today. There are a variety of us with very high CLs. Mine is currently $160,000 on a single Capital One QS card. This was the result of a couple combinations efforts (which are no longer allowed) and some CLIs in between. For posterity, below is my approval thread from 2015 that shows two back-to-back approvals (QS and Venture). Those days are long gone, unfortunately. I think the highest SLs that Capital tends to approve is around $30K either on personal or business cards (it could be lower these days).
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Card-Approvals/Capital-One-Approval-100-000/td-p/4152472
@SoCalGardener wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Maybe subprime is just a relative category to what they consider you at the time that you applied. In my case it was my first card so they didn't really trust me since I'm new to credit and just kept me in that category since then. As I mentioned earlier; they kept showing me the same old credit score when I had huge debt after the housing market crash of 2008 and my mortgage was underwater due to loss in value. I remember never seeing a credit card offer in the mail for years, now I get nonstop offers. My score has definitely improved especially over the past year and all my creditors acknowledged it with either automatic approvals and/or requested. Well; except for Capital One. Lol...I think the only way we can get a higher credit limit from Capital One is to apply for a new card. However, with so many rejections over the years, I'm afraid of getting a hard inquiry pulled and a slap in the face with a credit denial.
Exactly! I think you're right about the new card idea--I know from reading posts around here that that's how some people finally got [in essence] a CLI from Cap1.
But I don't want any other Cap1 products--and a HP plus a denial would indeed be a slap in the face.
They're by far my least favorite CC issuer, and I'm even toying with the idea of closing some or all of my three cards with them. I almost never close a card, so it's doubtful that I'll really end up DOING that, but I am thinking about it!
And not only a HP......a Triple HP

I think you're better off just spending your money with another issuer that appreciates you. Lol..Just leave it open and charge something small to it. After reading some posts on here. I tempted fate and requested another CLI with my Amex Aspire card. I just requested 3X my credit line and was approved about 3 months ago so I requested just 2X my current credit line because I was afraid of a denial if I asked for too much. Much to my surprise, I was approved. I should have gone with 3X right? I went ahead and requested a CLI on 4 other credit cards and was approved for all of them. Looking back, I pretty much wasted 19 years with Capital One for nothing.