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I've thought having credit was just a privilege since we have to go through a risk assessment "underwriting," to determine if we're able to be qualified based on our credit report, income, and other factors. I'm sure banks (Chase is no exception) are tightening up on their policies due to COVID-19 and current economic conditions. Some creditors are even temporarily or permanently cutting down on CLI's no matter how they value its customers in which may increase our overall utilization on existing cards that make our scores go down and it's going to be hard to apply for credit in the future. Don't you think?
Okay if that's the case, why Chase and other banks sending out invitations to apply for their cards with bonuses then all the sudden when they finally pull your report and see how many accounts that you applied within the last 24 months, they downright deny you regardless if you are creditworthy which is a waste of time on their end to gain customers as well as a wasted HP for us. I had that happen to me so many times. Why do that when they know we're are the "bait" for them to catch when it comes down to applying for credit then turn us down in the process which is a shame.
Too bad that I don't even have a Chase branch in my area to even consider their full-fledged products. Applying for so much credit is like a drug, it's very addictive especially when you know you meet the requirements of being approved.
Well, I'm sure Chase will look at your current relationship with them as well as your overall credit history to extend you with more options down the line. I'm sure that the Student Freedom card will grow with you as you transition to a regular card. You're doing good on investing in your relationship by having a bank account with them and that's what really counts in their eyes as being a valued customer and they will see that you can manage your money in return of offering you more products. Keep it up.
@GrayStar wrote:Okay if that's the case, why Chase and other banks sending out invitations to apply for their cards with bonuses then all the sudden when they finally pull your report and see how many accounts that you applied within the last 24 months, they downright deny you regardless if you are creditworthy which is a waste of time on their end to gain customers as well as a wasted HP for us. I had that happen to me so many times. Why do that when they know we're are the "bait" for them to catch when it comes down to applying for credit then turn us down in the process which is a shame.
Banks can afford to be selective on which customers they want to acquire, plain and simple. Especially, given the magnitude of COVID-19 and the economic environment. Their marketing strategies are designed for specific market penetration and specific segments regardless on the type (or frequency) of any solicitation or invite you receive.
A variety of members, including myself, have been able to acquire some of their cards even with the 5/24 restriction. The key thing is having a solid strategy if you really want to be part of their ecosystem (some have been mentioned upthread). Of course, applying for and/or acquiring too many accounts preceding a Chase CC doesn't really help with your cause, unfortunately. Of noteworthy, the same applies to other institutions, such as Barclays, Capital One or BofA for instance, who have enacted similar UW policies.
Can you give me tips on what strategies I must make in order to be part of their ecosystem (or other creditors) besides overcoming the obstacles of refraining from acquiring too much credit in a short amount of time within their rules or policies? I had a previous relationship with them and I try to get back with them if possible.
@GrayStar wrote:Can you give me tips on what strategies I must make in order to be part of their ecosystem (or other creditors) besides overcoming the obstacles of refraining from acquiring too much credit in a short amount of time within their rules or policies? I had a previous relationship with them and I try to get back with them if possible.
Well, refraining from perpetually applying or acquiring accounts is part of the strategy. A credit file does tend to benefit from an occasional breather. That said, as I'm sure you're likely aware, every profile is different so results will vary.
Specific to Chase, a "productive" depository relationship can help in a variety of instances, but it's no magic wand. Manage your credit profile accordingly so that any prior blemishes can age over time, inclusive of those you've had from a couple years ago. This means pay on time, all the time (not even a day late). Assess and change your perspective and thought process as far as what lenders are looking for, especially in today's environment so that you can position yourself for such an opportunity.
And, as suggested earlier, enroll in Credit Journey to gauge any potential pre-selection odds. Otherwise, 5/24 are your best odds at this juncture.
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@GrayStar wrote:I find it awkward that chase amended this rule into their policy when consumers like myself want to apply for one of their cards. Truth to be told, I've tried to apply for one of their Freedom cards and was auto denied due to "too many accounts opened within the last 24 months." I'm very disappointed that I have to wait that long just to apply for their card. Mind you that I've only applied and approved for 8 different cards during the past 24 months. Previously years ago, I've used to have their Circuit City Visa card back in 2006 in which it was closed due to inactivity and I've been applying for their other cards since then and they always say no. I'm trying to get back in the door with Chase and I feel like I'm being punished with this strict rule. What's your opinion about this?
I hate this dumb rule. They should look a little deeper than having some computer auto-deny you because of being over 5/24. How about are you a current customer? What's your utilization? How many derog's do you have on your account? If all those answers come up strong (even if I am 10/24 or even 15/24) to me that shows I am creditworthy and should be given a chance at one of their cards. If they are afraid a given person that might be a risk for some unknown reason even though like I said earlier they might be strong on all those categories, then how about giving the customer a card with a SL of $500 to start off. They do well after 6-months, raise it to $1000. Another 6-months, $2000. No, they would rather give a card to an 19-year old making $15K a year with little credit history (min. 1-year) then someone who is more establish and has proven to be credit worthy. If it sounds like bitter grapes, its because it probably is. I agree with you on this rule and I believe some individuals should be considered outside of this dumb rule. To me that same 19-year with little credit history is more of a risk then a current CHASE customer with a lot of cards, low util, and no derogs. But like someone said on here, their card, their rules.
It also shows that you are credit seeking and/or SUB chasing (see highlighted). In my opinion, the 5/24 rule is only around to help stop Chase from getting too many churners. A typical customer might not come across this issue because they aren't getting more than 2 cards a year. A good example is my wife, who hasn't had a new credit card in years. I don't believe the 5/24 rule is around because of credit risk, as you are implying.
In saying that, I also do not like the rule. If anything, it should only apply to their core cards. I think co-branded cards should be allowed to slip by, or have a higher threshold, like 10/24. I also think they should only count actual credit cards in 5/24, and not things like my Dell and Google accounts. I once posted a scenario about a typical person being shutout of Chase by 5/24 with what I considered to be typical credit behavior, but that could have been averted if those finance accounts didn't count. I don't think a typical consumer would think that getting a 0% financing account when buying furniture or a cell phone could cost them from getting a Chase credit card (at least temporarily).
To add a bit of perspective, Chase got burned pretty badly when the CSR was first released because they naively did not have the controls they have in place now like 5/24 and the 48 month Sapphire SUB restriction.
There were a lot of applicants who got the card, MS'd to meet and collect the 100,000 UR SUB, cashed out the points, then closed the card all within 30 days which meant that to add insult to injury they weren't even on the hook for the $450 AF.
Once burned twice shy, and given Chase' current performance vs. other large issuers and their preceived status as a Top Tier issuer they aren't likely to be compelled into a significant relaxing of their standards anytime soon.
And that's why we can't have finer things in life because people who don't even need it messes it up for people who really deserve it. If they couldn't afford the $450 annual fee for the CSR then why bother to apply. What a shame.